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Game after game I sit in the stands Rooting for my football team to go out and do their best.

Always yelling GO Offence or Defense good plays and bad. Over the past several years I have notice that the Bad mouthing of coaches and players is getting worse. First the coaching staff get one day off a week, every other day is filled with film, practice, games etc... Second and most important the players.

They are anywhere from Fourteen to eighteen years old, working year-round to get better at football. They are going to drop passes, miss blocks, run the wrong rout, breakup with girlfriends, the list goes on and on of the things that might be going through their heads. Nevertheless, they are out there representing the community and county.  I have never been a fan of running down the other team or bragging to much on mine. I have played the game and understand you can lose anytime you are on the field. Week after week I see the same people on here going from poking at each other to downright disrespectful. Calling out kids and coaches by name. This is by no means everyone on here but a few. Then at the game yelling the same stuff at the coaching staff and kids from the stands while moms, dads and wives are setting right next to you. As the topic says NO CLASS!!! If I hear you doing this at a game from now on, I will call you out in front of everyone I will belittle you just as you are doing to the Fourteen to eighteen-year old’s! 

John Cook

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Mr. Cook, I agree 100%.  Thanks for your thoughts, and thanks for signing your name and owning your post!  People do need to understand that this game is a kids game with young men between the ages of 14-18. 

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You have zero clue about a teacher raise or lack of a raise.  But thanks for your support anyway JAG.  But it's awesome you accept poor behavior from adults, you are right about how society is now a days.  

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Again no freaking clue.  My son went to a public high school and is at Carolina now.  I taught at a very at risk school but we had millions in scholarships each year and kids going to major universities, joining the military attending trade schools because of the teachers and staff there   so  again get a clue chief 

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That is wrong the top of the teacher pay scale is 52K check your facts and stop listening to Phil Berger.  And the meat inspector's job  does it require a college education?  No it does not.  Now is it an important job yes but who taught that meat inspector to read?? Or add?? Oh wait a teacher so thank you for showing your ignorance.  I think teachers should not take one day but perhaps 30 days off and let's see what happens 

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10 hours ago, JCK said:

Game after game I sit in the stands Rooting for my football team to go out and do their best.

Always yelling GO Offence or Defense good plays and bad. Over the past several years I have notice that the Bad mouthing of coaches and players is getting worse. First the coaching staff get one day off a week, every other day is filled with film, practice, games etc... Second and most important the players.

They are anywhere from Fourteen to eighteen years old, working year-round to get better at football. They are going to drop passes, miss blocks, run the wrong rout, breakup with girlfriends, the list goes on and on of the things that might be going through their heads. Nevertheless, they are out there representing the community and county.  I have never been a fan of running down the other team or bragging to much on mine. I have played the game and understand you can lose anytime you are on the field. Week after week I see the same people on here going from poking at each other to downright disrespectful. Calling out kids and coaches by name. This is by no means everyone on here but a few. Then at the game yelling the same stuff at the coaching staff and kids from the stands while moms, dads and wives are setting right next to you. As the topic says NO CLASS!!! If I hear you doing this at a game from now on, I will call you out in front of everyone I will belittle you just as you are doing to the Fourteen to eighteen-year old’s! 

John Cook

I agree 100%. I can tell you what will happen to you at Southern Nash if you bad mouth a player or assistant coach, the head coach will have the principle and school resource officer escort you to your vehicle. I've even seen it happen at an away game. One example I can remember was during a game we were ahead so far we had a running clock and this fan was yelling calling out coaches and the QB because they were not throwing the ball. OK, running clock, you can't be throwing the football. Act like an adult folks. LOL

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Did you even read that article ?????? I am guessing you did not http://www.ncpublicschools.org/docs/fbs/finance/salary/schedules/2018-19schedules.pdf  Top of thew scale for a bachelors degree  is 52K.  You do get more for a masters degree but the state no longer pays for that.  Admin gets more but they are not teachers and have advanced degrees.  What they did to get those numbers was add teachers+Admin+County office personnel where the latter two are not teachers.  Hence the term skewed that is listed in the article.  

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I think if you want a passionate and engaged fan base( which all coaches do) then your gonna have to live with some criticism and commentary.  Fan= Fanatic.  Most coaches i know just laugh about it becaue it is mostly just uninformed blather. Everyone is an expert after the play is called.

Now....that said. Every fanbase has that 2 or 3 idiots who simply cant control their passion and typically are so disappointed in their own sad lives that the mechanism for happiness is wrapped up in the wins and losses of a HS football team. Thus the screaming, yelling and posting about people being fired. 

These people should probably be escorted out but frankly I find them sort of sad but entertaining.  They make me chuckle when i see how worked up they get about a HS football game.

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26 minutes ago, wonderfan said:

https://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/article227200094.html     hardly Phil Berger! Maybe you should stop listening to the leftist NCAE!

Wonder, I don't know you, but you make me question your intelligence.  If you are not a public school teacher, you have no clue what we make or don't make.  You read a newspaper and take that as fact.  The only way you even come close to making an average salary of over 54k is to put in 20+ years of service, or to have advanced degrees which put you further in debt because the state no longer pays for it.  Not to mention, a teacher can't adequately do their job working a simple 8 hour day.  Do we get paid for the extra hours we work? Nope! What about the money we take out of our checks to buy our own school supplies because districts no longer provide money for that either.  Coaches sacrifice their time, their family, their money, and their lives because we love kids enough to do it.  No coach deserves to be talked about the way people like you and other entitled fans feel like they can talk about them.  If every single coach quit today because of fans like the ones described above, society would be in a much worse place than it is currently, and that is scary to think about.

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1. I understand about the players.  There are so many things that play into the mindset of a teenage boy.  I can tell you for sure they don't want to make a mistake just like we don't want to make one at our jobs.  They already feel bad enough and will hear about it from the coaches.  When a mistake happens in the game ( it will )  and you feel the need to say something, give it the ol' "come on guys" or something of that nature.  NEVER MAKE IT ABOUT ONE PLAYER.   It's ok to be disappointed with the game, the play of some and the coaching for that matter but WE MUST SUPPORT THE KIDS.  Lou Holtz once said ,  " praise loudly and criticize softly".    If you feel the need to criticize a player then by all means, do it at home to your family and not at the game or on social media.  I played ( many years ago ) and I remember my Mom telling me about someone criticizing me from the stands while she was sitting right next to him.  Now, my Mom was not one to shy away from telling someone what she thought so she told him to shut his mouth before she shut it for him.  She told him that was her son he was talking about.  You never know who you may be sitting by.  If you happen to see a player after the game or during the week, let them know how proud you are of them whether your team is having a great year or a lousy one.  They appreciate it whether you think they do or not.  

2. The coaches, for the most part, understand there will be criticism from the fanbase sometimes even if things are going great.  Fan is short for fanatic.  My son is an assistant for football and baseball and he understands that comes with the job and he is good with that.  I hear people in the stands criticizing him and the other coaches from time to time but unless they are making it personal, I just let it slide and just chuckle at them.  I actually think it's funny to hear some of the thoughts of the "bleacher coaches".   I don't agree with everything either but that is just human nature I think.   The coaches put in a tremendous amount of time into it with little pay.  They do it because they love it.  

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29 minutes ago, coachE42 said:

Wonder, I don't know you, but you make me question your intelligence.  If you are not a public school teacher, you have no clue what we make or don't make.  You read a newspaper and take that as fact.  The only way you even come close to making an average salary of over 54k is to put in 20+ years of service, or to have advanced degrees which put you further in debt because the state no longer pays for it.  Not to mention, a teacher can't adequately do their job working a simple 8 hour day.  Do we get paid for the extra hours we work? Nope! What about the money we take out of our checks to buy our own school supplies because districts no longer provide money for that either.  Coaches sacrifice their time, their family, their money, and their lives because we love kids enough to do it.  No coach deserves to be talked about the way people like you and other entitled fans feel like they can talk about them.  If every single coach quit today because of fans like the ones described above, society would be in a much worse place than it is currently, and that is scary to think about.

I agree 100% . my wife is a public school teacher. I can promise you she works more then 8 hrs. a day and buys most of her classroom material out of her on money. The time she leaves for work till she gets home she is gone 10 hrs.. Then she has to do more grading when she gets home.

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But don't worry guys, Wonder is the most intelligent poster on the board.  Don't believe him, he will send you a private message to let you know so.  Trust me, the fans, players, and coaches will be better off if you never attend another event at the school.

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I'm glad some of you tried to clarify the pay scale statement. I retired February 2018, with 34 years experience when I retired my salary was $51,300. We did get pay raises but all the nice raises went to those with less than 20 years experience.

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49 minutes ago, wonderfan said:

I have told you before I don't live or die with wins and loses, quite the contrary I am to the point I don't care! If the administration is ok with being mediocre so be it! I doubt seriously I even go to another game this year! I have far better things to do, it is almost hunting season I can get in the bed earlier if I don't go! And I chuckle at an old has been that thinks I value his opinion!

Never mentioned you. Interesting that you assumed it wa you.

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1 minute ago, wonderfan said:

Yeah since the bleachers are almost empty every Friday they must be doing great because the majority are tired of being mediocre!

Wonderfan, me and you can go back to the 80's, 90's and early 2000 when the stands would be packed 1.5 before the game I just don't think we will ever see that again. I tell my boys all the time I wish they could see how packed it used to be at the home games.

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Where I do agree with Wonderfan is I do grow tired of the whining.  I assume if you went into HS teaching or coaching you knew what the pay scale was. Hardly a new revelation.  Same goes for Meat inspector guy. If you aspired to coach as a proffesion my guess is you had already spent sometime in the arena and knew commentary from parents and fans were gonna be part of the gig.

I think alot of teachers and coaches. Think the best should be paid well and in many cases they are. Knotts seems to do well, plenty of others. Like all professions there are plenty that arent good as well.

Long hours, hard frustrating work at times.  Yup...i get it. I assume there are plenty of rewards that go along with it and if there are not....get out! Life is short, do something you actually enjoy.

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God bless teachers.... but this is nothing new. Anyone who CHOOSES to go into education in North Carolina knows full well the situation they are entering. Having a "passion" for teaching and working with kids is amazing. Constantly complaining about the situation that has existed for well over 60 years under Republican and Democratic led governments should resonate with career decisions. Very few school systems in the state offer sufficient incomes to support a family. This isn't something that happened yesterday or last year. I applaud anyone who chooses the teaching/coaching profession but I also am amazed at the complaining when they know full well the situation they are entering long before they are hired. That being said, kudos to those who put in the time and effort to educate our kids, coach our kids and not complain 24/7 about how hard they have it, how little they are paid and how "three months off yearly" is a perk of the job and not a hindrance. 

“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results.” Albert Einstein 

 

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Well all this is true but you get what you get when you are cheap.  If you do not have a skilled an educated workforce you lose out to places that do.  We all took econ 101 (thats if you went to college) and what is the business model of supply and demand.  And as an educator I have a vested interest in this state and the education of this state.  I want North Carolinians to get jobs in this state not some transplant.  NC needs to compete on a national stage and fellas the way they try to skim education will come back to bite us.  Mill jobs are gone and not coming back kids are going to have to be able to acquire skills to find a job let alone a career.  Now I know that a teacher in NC can not be paid $1,00,000 a year like in some states but does being a teacher someone who is trying to help kids be paid so low?  And being blasted by someone for sticking up for that is not just foolish but totally  not the solution.  

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I have to agree with the above comments. Any 18/19 year old entering college with the intent of becoming a teacher knows full well what is coming to them when they graduate....low pay semi-long hours and summers off. If you manage your money right, it is a pretty sweet gig.

I'd love to have June, July and Aug off every year. Plus 2 weeks at Xmas and 1 week during Easter. As it stands now I'm lucky to get a day here and there and then taking a week off in the summer is all I can manage.

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3 minutes ago, ramheadbut said:

Who has summers off????  And not one teacher in the USA has June July and August off  get those facts straight 

Catawba County Schools will end their Academic year on Memorial Day weekend. and I know teachers have 5 to 7 days after that that they work, and they return to school one week prior to the first day of class (last week of August so essentially they get June, July and August off.

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I used to work there and the teachers get out middle of june and come back the third week in August so thats not accurate more like six weeks and you know they dont get paid for that right .  And i left that place because it paid nothing 

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1 minute ago, ramheadbut said:

I used to work there and thee teachers get out middle of june and come back the third week in August so

point still stands, I'd like to have my summers off.

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Just now, ramheadbut said:

And get paid 10 months    But many teachers work during the summer and much more than 40 hrs a week in fact a majority do

I think in regards to coaches the summers are far from " off". But again, I believe they aal understand that.

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2 minutes ago, ramheadbut said:

UMM you know many of us work during that time right to make $$$.  

you understand that you get paid for the 10 months you actually work right?

I assume you also understand the concept of extrapolation? A teacher getting paid $36,000/year (10 months) would actually make $43,200/year if they worked a full 12 months. So the salary that people complain about is not that bad. You are just getting paid for the months you work.

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Just now, ramheadbut said:

I know for teachers the summers are also far from "off " as well 

and I know teachers who leave the day after their last "work day" and spend all summer at the beach living in their parents house.

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So if you are say a single parent and have say 1 kid 43K is pretty good  hmmm thats why teachers are applying for govt assistance but anyways not going to convince you nor should I so it is what it is tough job so so pay and teachers should just live with it 

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