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Is this crap what the NCHSAA will use to seed teams for the playoffs? If so with a possible loss to Shelby Friday, South Point could miss the playoffs entirely. As of now using maxprep system, SP is ranked #18 in 2A . I'm not expecting a state title this year but come on #18?

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The worse thing the NCHSAA did was get max Preps involved in anything involving NC football. Allowing them to have anything to do with the playoff seedings is by far the worse. The NCHSAA sold their souls to Max Preps for $$$$ so they have less to do. We all need their jobs making the megabucks they make. More pay and less work. I remember when Simon Terrell had 3-4 people working for him and they got the job done. Now they have ?? people working for them and want to be involved with less every year. Most coaches I know feel the same as I do but are reluctant to be as vocal as I am. 

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Thanks for the info Coach. I had no idea maxpreps was involved in the seeding, I just thought the NCHSAA used their info. So you are saying maxpreps paid the NCHSAA in order to take control of this process and others.

Is it possible for schools to pull out of the NCHSAA and form another association?

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3 hours ago, SPRaiders78 said:

Is this crap what the NCHSAA will use to seed teams for the playoffs? If so with a possible loss to Shelby Friday, South Point could miss the playoffs entirely. As of now using maxprep system, SP is ranked #18 in 2A . I'm not expecting a state title this year but come on #18?

South Point will not miss the playoffs, I'm not defending the Adjusted Rankings, but they are used just to seed the automatic qualifers which SP would be as the #2 from their conference. Remember all the Conference Champs get seeded first, then the #2's then #3's if any, then the wild card's. SP will get an automatic birth by finishing second in their conference. The rankings are simply a way to seed the automatic births and the wild cards. I promise you SP will be in the playoffs as an automatic qualifier, either conference champ or #2 seed from conference.

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1 hour ago, Reynoldsrocks23 said:

South Point will not miss the playoffs, I'm not defending the Adjusted Rankings, but they are used just to seed the automatic qualifers which SP would be as the #2 from their conference. Remember all the Conference Champs get seeded first, then the #2's then #3's if any, then the wild card's. SP will get an automatic birth by finishing second in their conference. The rankings are simply a way to seed the automatic births and the wild cards. I promise you SP will be in the playoffs as an automatic qualifier, either conference champ or #2 seed from conference.

Thank you for explaining this.  I by no means think the adjusted rankings are accurate, but I feel like so many people do not understand the process and believe we will just seed the teams 1-64 or 1-48 and leave the rest at home.  

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2 hours ago, SPRaiders78 said:

Thanks for the info Coach. I had no idea maxpreps was involved in the seeding, I just thought the NCHSAA used their info. So you are saying maxpreps paid the NCHSAA in order to take control of this process and others.

Is it possible for schools to pull out of the NCHSAA and form another association?

Yes.  Schools are not required to play in the NCHSAA.

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2 hours ago, Glenn said:

The worse thing the NCHSAA did was get max Preps involved in anything involving NC football. Allowing them to have anything to do with the playoff seedings is by far the worse. The NCHSAA sold their souls to Max Preps for $$$$ so they have less to do. We all need their jobs making the megabucks they make. More pay and less work. I remember when Simon Terrell had 3-4 people working for him and they got the job done. Now they have ?? people working for them and want to be involved with less every year. Most coaches I know feel the same as I do but are reluctant to be as vocal as I am. 

I am sure you remember when some high schools had one or two assistant football coaches.  The Shrine Bowl had an HC and one assistant, then two, then three in the mid 70’s, and now there are six assistants.  The head football coach was also the head basketball coach and the head baseball coach.  

There were complaints about the NCHSAA in every decade.  That is why the Western NCHSAA existed for nearly fifty years.  We live in a different world.  

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My complaints stem from the 51 years I have coached HS football. I have seen what is happening. The NCHSAA is not getting any better. In fact, they are worse. The Endowment Fund gets larger each year. The people who inherited those positions at the NCHSAA make more every year. They have been compared to CEO's of big corporations. This is a bad comparison because most CEO's are in charge of companies that sell a product.  The NCHSAA does not sell a product and therefore does not have revenue coming in. How much help do they give to all these schools who have to beg and borrow every year just to run their athletic programs? Do you ever see the NCHSAA using any of this money to help these schools out? Football makes it possible for all non revenue sports to exist. What will happen if football becomes extinct? I have never seen so many high schools across the USA dropping HS football.  If the NCHSAA is not careful they may also become extinct as well. 

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In the last realignment process the NCHSAA presented options for the schools to review and provide feedback.  The one I wanted and I thought was perfect was a dual alignment process.  Year 1 all non football sports would align just as is done presently.  Year 3 football would align.  Think the Summer and Winter Olympics, every other year one of those happens.  This would have allowed the football people to control a lot more of their sport.  The schools did not like the concept.  

At one time I was very involved in high school football on a national level.  I heard complaints about every governing body.  Common themes.  The NCHSAA has a lot of shortcomings but they are looked at by many other governing bodies outside the state in a very positive light.

I do think the NCHSAA should look at giving more money to the schools but I also know that with a larger endowment more money will be available from it to give to schools.  Currently high school sports is struggling but I beleive in ten to twenty years it is going to be in much worse shape.  A huge economic downturn in the next few years could result in some severe issues for high school sports.

The reason for the power poll concept was due to the complaints that the difference in level of competition and strength of schedule across the state was very uneven.  I have wanted a power poll for years!  I wanted something different than what they have but it is a start.  Saying the NCHSAA has less to do due to MaxPreps is somewhat misleading.  What is really different from what we have been using?  This year the top two teams from a conference make the playoffs.  They are seeded by their Adjusted MaxPreps ranking.  Last year they were seeded by record and if a tie a draw of the straws.  

Football being dropped is societal in nature.  Lawsuits, insurance, lack of participation, cost, soccer, specialization, lack of competitive spirit, children not as active, et al.  The list is crazy.  You are older than I but not by a lot.  The way we grew up and what was available to us or I should say lack of is probably what drove us to sports.

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Glenn, what would be the main things you would change with the NCHSAA?  Give a little info or reasons.

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They have Weddington ahead of Catholic, the team that shut them out 20-0 and held them to -10 rushing yards. 

What a joke. 

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1 hour ago, Catholic said:

They have Weddington ahead of Catholic, the team that shut them out 20-0 and held them to -10 rushing yards. 

What a joke. 

Hang in there...Catholic will be the #1 overall in whatever Class they end up in and Max Preps will cease to matter.

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59 minutes ago, TaxAct said:

Hang in there...Catholic will be the #1 overall in whatever Class they end up in and Max Preps will cease to matter.

I understand. Personally Havelock should also be higher. I just am confused as to how these rankings are made. 

 

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On 11/2/2018 at 8:36 AM, TaxAct said:

Hang in there...Catholic will be the #1 overall in whatever Class they end up in and Max Preps will cease to matter.

I went and looked.  Catholic is #1 and Weddington is #2.

SouthPoint is #3 in 2A.  I'm not sure how you get #18 from there.

Rankings are opinions and everyone has one.  Max Preps is a computer program, which takes all the opinions locally (NCHSAA) out of it.  It's just used to break ties--2nd place in one league is not as impressive as 2nd place in another league in some cases. 

We could use Chris's poll, but I bet he'd be glad no one calls him about their #7 vs #8 seed, or playing the next door team in the 2nd round or any of it.  I think it's better than past ways of bracketing, and can be improved going forward.  In the end you still have to lace 'em up.

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2 hours ago, TaxAct said:

I went and looked.  Catholic is #1 and Weddington is #2.

SouthPoint is #3 in 2A.  I'm not sure how you get #18 from there.

Rankings are opinions and everyone has one.  Max Preps is a computer program, which takes all the opinions locally (NCHSAA) out of it.  It's just used to break ties--2nd place in one league is not as impressive as 2nd place in another league in some cases. 

We could use Chris's poll, but I bet he'd be glad no one calls him about their #7 vs #8 seed, or playing the next door team in the 2nd round or any of it.  I think it's better than past ways of bracketing, and can be improved going forward.  In the end you still have to lace 'em up.

Was referencing the NCHSAA adjusted rankings, not Max Preps rankings. 

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I understand how MaxPreps rates Havelock so low due to their poor schedule strength, but they are missing the eyes on experience the sportswriters and fans possess.  Havelock has the best offense in 3A football,  and that should matter more.  Whatever numbers that program is crunching, it is missing not just the obvious lopsided scores but the convincing lopsided offensive stats, stats that were mostly accumulated in the 1st half of most of their games.  But go ahead and rate them low,  just gives them more motivation.  

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7 hours ago, Ramfan75 said:

I understand how MaxPreps rates Havelock so low due to their poor schedule strength, but they are missing the eyes on experience the sportswriters and fans possess.  Havelock has the best offense in 3A football,  and that should matter more.  Whatever numbers that program is crunching, it is missing not just the obvious lopsided scores but the convincing lopsided offensive stats, stats that were mostly accumulated in the 1st half of most of their games.  But go ahead and rate them low,  just gives them more motivation.  

We know that, but in the end when the dust settles we will Be representing the east once again for the title

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I think if anyone had a clue to what the criteria was that the computer uses, it might get everyone off of the adjusted rankings back, but when 2 teams with same record have played and the winning team is ranked lower, that is virtually idiotic, no matter which classification it has taken place in (1A-4A). There is no justification that can be given to coach, player or fan to change our minds. It does not matter who each team has played prior to the match-up, if you cannot win the head to head match-up, you are not the better team in any ranking formula with the same record!!!

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29 minutes ago, Heritage 84 said:

I think if anyone had a clue to what the criteria was that the computer uses, it might get everyone off of the adjusted rankings back, but when 2 teams with same record have played and the winning team is ranked lower, that is virtually idiotic, no matter which classification it has taken place in (1A-4A). There is no justification that can be given to coach, player or fan to change our minds. It does not matter who each team has played prior to the match-up, if you cannot win the head to head match-up, you are not the better team in any ranking formula with the same record!!!

One of the games with head to head was played in the first few weeks and it was a one point win in OT.  

Today I would rank Catholic over Christian but Christian won the first game of the year 6-0.  Christian has struggled a bit recently and I was shocked they had to win against an inferior squad on the last play of the game a few weeks ago.

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8 hours ago, Ramfan75 said:

I understand how MaxPreps rates Havelock so low due to their poor schedule strength, but they are missing the eyes on experience the sportswriters and fans possess.  Havelock has the best offense in 3A football,  and that should matter more.  Whatever numbers that program is crunching, it is missing not just the obvious lopsided scores but the convincing lopsided offensive stats, stats that were mostly accumulated in the 1st half of most of their games.  But go ahead and rate them low,  just gives them more motivation.  

In the regular Max Preps ranking Havelock is ranked fourth.  It is not like they are super low. 

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7 hours ago, btango said:

In the regular Max Preps ranking Havelock is ranked fourth.  It is not like they are super low. 

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https://www.nchsaa.org/sites/default/files/Football_AdjMPRanking_10-29-18.pdf  has Havelock ranked 9th in 3A football.  What absolute garbage.  The NCHSAA should be embarrassed to rely on such an inaccurate source for anything. 

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3 hours ago, Ramfan75 said:

https://www.nchsaa.org/sites/default/files/Football_AdjMPRanking_10-29-18.pdf  has Havelock ranked 9th in 3A football.  What absolute garbage.  The NCHSAA should be embarrassed to rely on such an inaccurate source for anything. 

Please note “Adjusted” rankings.  You write Max Preps which has them fourth.  I think fourth is too low but you cannot blame Max Preps when their formula is being weakened by the NCHSAA requirement.

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