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21 hours ago, EGFAN75 said:

Tarheels are definitely going in the wrong direction (I think it's recruiting).  I kinda gave up on Fedora when he made the CTE remarks, that's an argument he can't win. Should have just kept his mouth shut. At least we don't have Urban "I didn't know" Myer. 

Like him or not and I do not like the position of Ohio State.....Urban is controlling the narrative at his school along with his staff, Alumni & fan base.  Fedora has lost every one of the previous things mentioned.  

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Personally I think that Fedora might have been over his head when he took over at UNC.  Currently I feel that not only has he lost the Alumni and Fan Base but has also lost support of the Boosters and the Board at the school. Worst of all I think he lost the locker room. Long gone are the days of the 'prestige' of the school to draw recruits in.  For UNC that coach needs to go out and find the players start on those kids as sophomores.  I think that the AD is just giving Fedora enough rope to cut him loose at the end of the season.  It will take at least 3 years from that point with the right coaching staff to bring UNC back into competitiveness. 

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I think y'all are just being to hard on Coach Fedora. You just need to give him some time. You know something like 5 or 6 more years.  By then he should have things figured out.😁

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Most all of these Head Coaches' egos are to big ! Recruiting takes a back seat to these guys . When Skip Holtz Became the Head Coach at ECU he came by the school that I worked and spent a hour with  me just talking about football and everything else .It wasn't because I had a big recruit because I didn't . He said he was going to into every high school in NC personally . That meant a lot to me ! Fedora and every other coach In NC should do that .

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3 hours ago, football101 said:

Most all of these Head Coaches' egos are to big ! Recruiting takes a back seat to these guys . When Skip Holtz Became the Head Coach at ECU he came by the school that I worked and spent a hour with  me just talking about football and everything else .It wasn't because I had a big recruit because I didn't . He said he was going to into every high school in NC personally . That meant a lot to me ! Fedora and every other coach In NC should do that .

That is how Mack Brown built UNC from the ashes.  But he started with two absolutely terrible seasons.

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4 hours ago, SPRaiders78 said:

I think y'all are just being to hard on Coach Fedora. You just need to give him some time. You know something like 5 or 6 more years.  By then he should have things figured out.😁

You must be a State fan.

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I agree, I think they should do or now. Never mind the money they have garenteed, a school like Chapel Hill has plenty of money to pass away. I think they are hoping against hope he can turn things around. Its a bad situation. I'm glad I wasn't part of the brain trust that made the hire. A lot of people are going to look foolish if he gets canned now. Of course those same people are going to look foolish if he doesn't. Danged if you do danged if you don't.

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8 hours ago, SPRaiders78 said:

I agree, I think they should do or now. Never mind the money they have garenteed, a school like Chapel Hill has plenty of money to pass away. I think they are hoping against hope he can turn things around. Its a bad situation. I'm glad I wasn't part of the brain trust that made the hire. A lot of people are going to look foolish if he gets canned now. Of course those same people are going to look foolish if he doesn't. Danged if you do danged if you don't.

Larry Fedora has my eternal respect and gratitude for leading the program through the NCAA mess, plus had two 1st place division finishes in his 1st 5 years. But now, in year 7, with the NCAA in the rear view and the program entirely of his making, this is the product.

Kudos to the entire UNC football team for donating their weekly per diem to buy goods for former New Bern star and Carolina Panther, Kevin Reddick's efforts to provide supplies for New Bern. Looking forward to helping deliver supplies for people in need that have been effected by this devastating storm this weekend. 

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Like I said earlier, I think the should give him 5 or 6 more years. He just needs time to right the ship. 

Not sure what you ment by leading the team through the NCAA mess. He just coached them. It was the administration and the lawyers that got em off with hardly a scratch. Don't think the football had much to do with that part.

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2 hours ago, Tyler12 said:

Larry Fedora has my eternal respect and gratitude for leading the program through the NCAA mess, plus had two 1st place division finishes in his 1st 5 years. But now, in year 7, with the NCAA in the rear view and the program entirely of his making, this is the product.

Kudos to the entire UNC football team for donating their weekly per diem to buy goods for former New Bern star and Carolina Panther, Kevin Reddick's efforts to provide supplies for New Bern. Looking forward to helping deliver supplies for people in need that have been effected by this devastating storm this weekend. 

Also- has 1 bowl win. I am sure Fedora is a great guy and the hurricane relief is a very nice story and deserves mention. In the end though this is big time college football and he doesnt get 2.7 million for his community involvement. He gets paid to win football games. None of this is a surprise............its been coming now for 2+ years. Success on the field moves recruiting and they are in a terrible cycle now. Only one way out.

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5 minutes ago, Wrigley said:

Also- has 1 bowl win. I am sure Fedora is a great guy and the hurricane relief is a very nice story and deserves mention. In the end though this is big time college football and he doesnt get 2.7 million for his community involvement. He gets paid to win football games. None of this is a surprise............its been coming now for 2+ years. Success on the field moves recruiting and they are in a terrible cycle now. Only one way out.

I didn't mention him in my second paragraph, mentioned the football TEAM. I'm aware he gets paid to win football games, go back to my first paragraph where I mention this is entirely of his making. 

 

Doubt Bubba makes a change in season. 

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24 minutes ago, Tyler12 said:

I didn't mention him in my second paragraph, mentioned the football TEAM. I'm aware he gets paid to win football games, go back to my first paragraph where I mention this is entirely of his making. 

 

Doubt Bubba makes a change in season. 

I know you didnt and I am also aware of your loyalty to the program. Cunningham probably waits. Not sure any real corrections can be made during the season at this point. The next hire is the most important decision and I am sure the search is already being done albeit very quietly.  

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9 minutes ago, Wrigley said:

I know you didnt and I am also aware of your loyalty to the program. Cunningham probably waits. Not sure any real corrections can be made during the season at this point. The next hire is the most important decision and I am sure the search is already being done albeit very quietly.  

Loyalty yes, but I can also be a realist. It's time to move on, that's evident. He did a good job getting the program through the NCAA stuff, but there is no excuse for what we've witnesses the past 14 games. 

Talent is down, no doubt, but my bigger qualm is with the penalties. He was down at the bottom while with Southern Miss and is last in the ACC since he's been at UNC. That late hit on ECU when it was 3rd and 23, just completely unacceptable. 

Hopefully Seth Littrell can come back and right this thing, but I certainly wouldn't blame him if he hits the ignore button. 

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This dang thread is going to last longer than Fedora it is starting to look like! Maybe if he gets canned he can move down to high school football. Down here he won't be expected to recrute, well not at most schools anyway.

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Often times it's not always the coach alone. Some programs go through a few coaches and still struggle.  Is it a system/program support issue?  Maybe certain good coaches who leave see the trouble coming early. 

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1 hour ago, SPRaiders78 said:

Like I said earlier, I think the should give him 5 or 6 more years. He just needs time to right the ship. 

Not sure what you ment by leading the team through the NCAA mess. He just coached them. It was the administration and the lawyers that got em off with hardly a scratch. Don't think the football had much to do with that part.

The football program had other issues in addition to the academic classes.  The football team had the bowl ban and loss of scholarships for three years due to the agent favors with players and coaches.  I actually thought he did a very good job during that period.  Then with the academic situation he had to recruit through that.  People point to basketball but that is a sport where an elite player is going to play for a few years and then on to the next level.  Football recruiting is a three years minimum decision if the player does not transfer.  Five years for many.

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1 hour ago, SPRaiders78 said:

Like I said earlier, I think the should give him 5 or 6 more years. He just needs time to right the ship. 

Not sure what you ment by leading the team through the NCAA mess. He just coached them. It was the administration and the lawyers that got em off with hardly a scratch. Don't think the football had much to do with that part.

Do your research. Bowl ban, loss of scholarships for THREE years, negative recruiting with the academic situation, etc. Those things are kind of a big deal, no?

In regards to your misinformed comment about the lawyers; again, do your research. NCAA has bylaws, take it up with them. 

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I think part of why UNC is not as successful as they can be is because it isn't as easy to recruit anymore. State has begun to do very well both on the field and in recruiting, Wake seems to have some young stars that could keep that program rising, App State is consistently winning 9+ games a year and now at the FBS level that speaks loud to recruits. Then you look at Duke who Cutcliff has kept at respectability for years now. Charlotte could also rise, but that is yet to be seen. 

UNC being down means those other schools can take advantage which would make it even more difficult for UNC to keep up if they do not make a change. Here is the question, do they care enough to make a change or will they give him another year because he helped them through the NCAA stuff. Plus a $14 million dollar buyout is tough, I'm sure UNC could foot that bill, but that is a good bit of money. 

I think losing to ECU the way they did speaks louder than anything else. ECU is not a good football team, if it was a one score loss I'd understand, but blown out? That to me is the death nail for Fedora and if it isn't then I do not know what would be. 

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1 hour ago, Catholic said:

I think part of why UNC is not as successful as they can be is because it isn't as easy to recruit anymore. State has begun to do very well both on the field and in recruiting, Wake seems to have some young stars that could keep that program rising, App State is consistently winning 9+ games a year and now at the FBS level that speaks loud to recruits. Then you look at Duke who Cutcliff has kept at respectability for years now. Charlotte could also rise, but that is yet to be seen. 

UNC being down means those other schools can take advantage which would make it even more difficult for UNC to keep up if they do not make a change. Here is the question, do they care enough to make a change or will they give him another year because he helped them through the NCAA stuff. Plus a $14 million dollar buyout is tough, I'm sure UNC could foot that bill, but that is a good bit of money. 

I think losing to ECU the way they did speaks louder than anything else. ECU is not a good football team, if it was a one score loss I'd understand, but blown out? That to me is the death nail for Fedora and if it isn't then I do not know what would be. 

I think Fedora has lost this team.  UNC might just as well put itself out of misery.  Get it over with, now.

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Venables son is a freshman at Clemson so I don't see him leaving anytime soon. If I were UNC I would go after Mike Houston or Les Miles. Miles' son is on the UNC roster and he can recruit. 

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1 hour ago, Wolf4Lyfe said:

Venables son is a freshman at Clemson so I don't see him leaving anytime soon. If I were UNC I would go after Mike Houston or Les Miles. Miles' son is on the UNC roster and he can recruit. 

Les Miles is a great coach.  Big question:  Would the admin in Chapel Hill give him the latitude to do what is necessary (within the rules) to do the job?  I honestly do not know.  Will they come up with the bucks to get the right person?

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3 minutes ago, Rick Harrington said:

Les Miles is a great coach.  Big question:  Would the admin in Chapel Hill give him the latitude to do what is necessary (within the rules) to do the job?  I honestly do not know.  Will they come up with the bucks to get the right person?

They can get the money if they really want to. I think Les would be perfect for this job because he will recruit the state hard and is creative enough to make a decent game day experience. The facilities are there but need someone who can come in and build a respectable staff to take advantage of it. Miles would build a great staff. 

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1 hour ago, Rick Harrington said:

Les Miles is a great coach.  Big question:  Would the admin in Chapel Hill give him the latitude to do what is necessary (within the rules) to do the job?  I honestly do not know.  Will they come up with the bucks to get the right person?

That is the 1,000,000 dollar question. I personally do not think, given the cloud of dust that was stirred up with the last coach that won anything, the admin will have a tight reign on the football program. Nothing in the grey area will be allowed and honestly, I have given up on the football program.  Just stay away from the basketball program and do not bring the NCAA on campus for that and we are good.

 

 

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I love Les Miles (!!!) but not as the coach for my team.  He will be 65 years old this year.  He recruited great st LSU but I personally think they underperformed.  Louisiana is loaded with talent and one P5 school in the state where 100k fill the stands.  

Realistic options:  Satterfield, Houston, Seth Littrell, Neal Brown, Jason Candle, Frank Wilson, Mike Norvell, et al.  Please name some other sensible options.

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11 hours ago, Rick Harrington said:

Les Miles is a great coach.  Big question:  Would the admin in Chapel Hill give him the latitude to do what is necessary (within the rules) to do the job?  

No.  That is one of the issues currently,

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8 hours ago, btango said:

I love Les Miles (!!!) but not as the coach for my team.  He will be 65 years old this year.  He recruited great st LSU but I personally think they underperformed.  Louisiana is loaded with talent and one P5 school in the state where 100k fill the stands.  

Realistic options:  Satterfield, Houston, Seth Littrell, Neal Brown, Jason Candle, Frank Wilson, Mike Norvell, et al.  Please name some other sensible options.

Nobody did less with more. Game has passed him on. 

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Thing with Les is he always had to get past Bama and the rest of the SEC west at a time when it was better than most conferences overall. He's already got connections in Louisiana and would instantly be a player in recruiting NC. If you're gonna go the up and coming route I think Mike Houston is the guy.

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10 hours ago, btango said:

I love Les Miles (!!!) but not as the coach for my team.  He will be 65 years old this year.  He recruited great st LSU but I personally think they underperformed.  Louisiana is loaded with talent and one P5 school in the state where 100k fill the stands.  

Realistic options:  Satterfield, Houston, Seth Littrell, Neal Brown, Jason Candle, Frank Wilson, Mike Norvell, et al.  Please name some other sensible options.

Litrell and Brown are two they will have to outbid others for compared to Satterfield and Houston. Whoever they identify they need to make sure and lock him up early. Doesn't look good "settling" for a coach. 

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12 hours ago, btango said:

I love Les Miles (!!!) but not as the coach for my team.  He will be 65 years old this year.  He recruited great st LSU but I personally think they underperformed.  Louisiana is loaded with talent and one P5 school in the state where 100k fill the stands.  

Realistic options:  Satterfield, Houston, Seth Littrell, Neal Brown, Jason Candle, Frank Wilson, Mike Norvell, et al.  Please name some other sensible options.

Mel Tucker, Ryan Day.

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On 9/21/2018 at 12:58 PM, Wrigley said:

Mel Tucker, Ryan Day.

Sign me up for either!  Like them both.  If they are set on a guy with HC experience neither has had a season of that but both have been interims and both have NFL experience and major college stops. 

There are a lot of great options out there but it is hard to know if that great pick will be a bust and in Chapel Hill the chances are better than not that he does not win big.

Told yesterday by a person closely connected to one of the most mentioned names for this position that he is thinks it may be better to wait for a job that has better administrative support and less restraints placed by that admin.  This is something we have all been aware of to some degree.

I think the coaching search and hire for this job will be much more interesting than the season on the field.  Hope it does not turn into a Tennessee type sh!t show.

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11 hours ago, btango said:

Sign me up for either!  Like them both.  If they are set on a guy with HC experience neither has had a season of that but both have been interims and both have NFL experience and major college stops. 

There are a lot of great options out there but it is hard to know if that great pick will be a bust and in Chapel Hill the chances are better than not that he does not win big.

Told yesterday by a person closely connected to one of the most mentioned names for this position that he is thinks it may be better to wait for a job that has better administrative support and less restraints placed by that admin.  This is something we have all been aware of to some degree.

I think the coaching search and hire for this job will be much more interesting than the season on the field.  Hope it does not turn into a Tennessee type sh!t show.

No...I hope not either. Which is why if I am them I take my time. The good news is at least right now I don't see a ton of premium spots opening up though that can change. 

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If UNC was willing to accept a different style of offense than is currently popular, there is a staff at West Point led by Jeff Monken that would be a solid hire. Monken is one of the best coaches in the country, coaching at a place with a ton of restrictions (players have to be under a certain weight/body fat/academic-military training that comes before football) who doesn’t receive the credit he and his staff deserves. His program steps on the field with a talent deficit 8 of 10 times, yet schematically Army takes opponents behind the woodshed. I doubt he leaves West Point, but it would be worth the time to at least make the phone call.

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I spent two days with the West Point program last fall.  There are a lot of things about West Point football that are much different than they were in years past and that is part of the reason for the change in the performance on the field.  A lot of the restrictions are not as restrictive as they once were but it is still a unique situation.  Army is now doing some of what Annapolis and AFA have been doing.  I am a huge fan of Coach Monken and his staff which has some NC ties.  My big question is whether what he does at West Point, especially recruiting, recruits buying into the scheme, and the players/system that work on the Hudson, would work sufficiently at Chapel Hill.  He was successful at GA Southern so it may.

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