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  1. '98 State Champion

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    We purposely waited to respond here until the NC high school state basketball Championships were settled. The Shelby Golden Lions were to play Farmville for the 2A State Title. Due to the Covid 19 virus outbreak, the NCHSAA leadership delayed and then canceled the Title games. Yesterday, the NCHSAA leadership then decided to declare and award all finalists teams a Co-State Championship Title. Per the Fayetteville Observer on April 29,2020; After discussions with other board members and considering the "crazy time in which we are in," NCHSAA President Brad Craddock said crowning the teams as regional champions "did not do either side justice." We felt like co-champions was the best thing that we could do to honor all the work that those student-athletes had put into it," Craddock said during a Zoom teleconference with reporters.The decision to crown co-state champions is unlike any the NCHSAA has made in its history. During the flu pandemic of 1918, the organization didn't crown a football state champion. From 1961-71, the NCHSAA only awarded regional champions in football. Commissioner Que Tucker said this was different because those teams "went as far as they could go" and state championships weren't on the schedule. "In this scenario, we did have an East champion and a West champion," Tucker said. "We were two days away from actually playing the games. ... It was scheduled. That makes that a little bit different than what we have looked at historically speaking." Really? There is a lot here to dissect Let’s back up a little on this thread’s topic “before 1972”. But remember Que saying “state championships weren’t on the schedule”. First of all, the premise is FALSE and WRONG. premise. A premise is what forms the basis of a theory or a plot. ... In logic, the premise is the basic statement upon whose truth an argument is based. Criticize alternative theories by demonstrating their false premises. Tell us who appointed the NCHSAA as the absolute authority over ALL public high school sports in North Carolina prior to the merger with the WNCHSAA in 1977? No one. If the WNCHSAA existed from 1929 to 1976 and included up to 42 public high schools in a dozen counties, smack in the middle of the state, how are the NCHSAA football champions established as THE one and ONLY public school state champions of ALL of North Carolina in those years when the two association champs never played each other? That is not logically possible And true, unified public school State Championships “weren’t on the schedule”. We could stop here. They should all be considered “State Champions”. Or none of them should. Why would the unified NCHSAA leadership, from 1977 up to this day, consciously choose to recognize, elevate, and publicize the NCHSAA “State” Champions from before 1977, while suppressing, diminishing, and actively avoiding the equal mention of pre-1977 WNCHSAA Champions ? Eyewitness notes all the way back to the origin of the WNCHSAA in 1929, as the charter member schools left the NCHSAA show the animosity. In 1929 the athletic ruling body for the state, the NCHSAA, decided to change from an "open" classification to one based on enrollment. All schools playing organized athletics were placed in two groups according to size. These groups were called A and B with many falling into the smaller school group. Some were insulted when asked to join the B group and for sometime refused to join. This "snub" by the larger schools, with whom many had more than held their own, would drive them away from the state organization into a new association that was in the process of being formed. According to the Cleveland Star in October of 1929 a group of similar size schools from western North Carolina met in Hickory to form a new governing group to supervise the athletic programs of its members. This group of schools called itself the Western North Carolina High School Activities Association. (WNCHSAA) They agreed to throw out the state rules and draw up a Constitution and By-Laws to govern the association. These were adopted by the member schools in December of 1929. They stated that their purpose was to have a better organized athletic program and to promote and encourage sports for girls. The rival associations did not like each other. The split existed for 46 years, as did the animosity. With the arrival of the modern era for both associations, including racial integration, full participation for women,and better communications and travel, sensibly the WNCHSAA disbanded after 1976-77 and the member schools joined the NCHSAA. But the lingering jab from the old school NCHSAA leadership was to not only deliberately diminish and poorly recognize the older WNCHSAA champions, they even chose to misrepresent the rival association's performances from 1972 thru 1976, as 1972 had become the benchmark year for the NCHSAA records. 1972 coincided with the return to East vs West championships in the NCHSAA. For the WNCHSAA members, those years just vanished. And neither major snub has ever been corrected. There are the reasons for the shabby treatment of the WNCHSAA records and championships. But you will not get anyone at the current NCHSAA to admit it. Most there now are not even aware of it. Some do attempt to frame the disrespect as necessary due to the fact the NCHSAA did not govern the WNCHSAA schools nor games. As though the rules and regulations were vastly different and compromised. It is a crock. And still an inaccurate, misleading, and confusing record. After discussions with other board members and considering the "crazy time in which we are in," NCHSAA President Brad Craddock said crowning the teams as regional champions "did not do either side justice." We felt like co-champions was the best thing that we could do to honor all the work that those student-athletes had put into it”. President Craddock, why does that not apply to the all-time public school student-athlete champions in North Carolina? On the "About the NCHSAA" page at your website, under Core Values and Beliefs; Sportsmanship, Integrity, Fair Play, Honesty, Respect, Equity, and Fair Competition, ALL speak either directly or indirectly to our concern here. It is far past time to set aside any lingering antagonism between the once "rival" associations and "set the record(s) straight".
  2. '98 State Champion

    Since 1972 ...

    We purposely waited to respond here until the NC high school state basketball Championships were settled. The Shelby Golden Lions were to play Farmville for the 2A State Title. Due to the Covid 19 virus outbreak, the NCHSAA leadership delayed and then canceled the Title games. Yesterday, the NCHSAA leadership then decided to declare and award all finalists teams a Co-State Championship Title. Per the Fayetteville Observer on April 29,2020; After discussions with other board members and considering the "crazy time in which we are in," NCHSAA President Brad Craddock said crowning the teams as regional champions "did not do either side justice." We felt like co-champions was the best thing that we could do to honor all the work that those student-athletes had put into it," Craddock said during a Zoom teleconference with reporters.The decision to crown co-state champions is unlike any the NCHSAA has made in its history. During the flu pandemic of 1918, the organization didn't crown a football state champion. From 1961-71, the NCHSAA only awarded regional champions in football. Commissioner Que Tucker said this was different because those teams "went as far as they could go" and state championships weren't on the schedule. "In this scenario, we did have an East champion and a West champion," Tucker said. "We were two days away from actually playing the games. ... It was scheduled. That makes that a little bit different than what we have looked at historically speaking." Really? There is a lot here to dissect Let’s back up a little on this thread’s topic “before 1972”. But remember Que saying “state championships weren’t on the schedule”. First of all, the premise is FALSE and WRONG. premise. A premise is what forms the basis of a theory or a plot. ... In logic, the premise is the basic statement upon whose truth an argument is based. Criticize alternative theories by demonstrating their false premises. Tell us who appointed the NCHSAA as the absolute authority over ALL public high school sports in North Carolina prior to the merger with the WNCHSAA in 1977? No one. If the WNCHSAA existed from 1929 to 1976 and included up to 42 public high schools in a dozen counties, smack in the middle of the state, how are the NCHSAA football champions established as THE one and ONLY public school state champions of ALL of North Carolina in those years when the two association champs never played each other? That is not logically possible And true, unified public school State Championships “weren’t on the schedule”. We could stop here. They should all be considered “State Champions”. Or none of them should. Why would the unified NCHSAA leadership, from 1977 up to this day, consciously choose to recognize, elevate, and publicize the NCHSAA “State” Champions from before 1977, while suppressing, diminishing, and actively avoiding the equal mention of pre-1977 WNCHSAA Champions ? Eyewitness notes all the way back to the origin of the WNCHSAA in 1929, as the charter member schools left the NCHSAA show the animosity. In 1929 the athletic ruling body for the state, the NCHSAA, decided to change from an "open" classification to one based on enrollment. All schools playing organized athletics were placed in two groups according to size. These groups were called A and B with many falling into the smaller school group. Some were insulted when asked to join the B group and for sometime refused to join. This "snub" by the larger schools, with whom many had more than held their own, would drive them away from the state organization into a new association that was in the process of being formed. According to the Cleveland Star in October of 1929 a group of similar size schools from western North Carolina met in Hickory to form a new governing group to supervise the athletic programs of its members. This group of schools called itself the Western North Carolina High School Activities Association. (WNCHSAA) They agreed to throw out the state rules and draw up a Constitution and By-Laws to govern the association. These were adopted by the member schools in December of 1929. They stated that their purpose was to have a better organized athletic program and to promote and encourage sports for girls. The rival associations did not like each other. The split existed for 46 years, as did the animosity. With the arrival of the modern era for both associations, including racial integration, full participation for women,and better communications and travel, sensibly the WNCHSAA disbanded after 1976-77 and the member schools joined the NCHSAA. But the lingering jab from the old school NCHSAA leadership was to not only deliberately diminish and poorly recognize the older WNCHSAA champions, they even chose to misrepresent the rival association's performances from 1972 thru 1976, as 1972 had become the benchmark year for the NCHSAA records. 1972 coincided with the return to East vs West championships in the NCHSAA. For the WNCHSAA members, those years just vanished. And neither major snub has ever been corrected. There are the reasons for the shabby treatment of the WNCHSAA records and championships. But you will not get anyone at the current NCHSAA to admit it. Most there now are not even aware of it. Some do attempt to frame the disrespect as necessary due to the fact the NCHSAA did not govern the WNCHSAA schools nor games. As though the rules and regulations were vastly different and compromised. It is a crock. And still an inaccurate, misleading, and confusing record. After discussions with other board members and considering the "crazy time in which we are in," NCHSAA President Brad Craddock said crowning the teams as regional champions "did not do either side justice." We felt like co-champions was the best thing that we could do to honor all the work that those student-athletes had put into it”. President Craddock, why does that not apply to the all-time public school student-athlete champions in North Carolina? On the "About the NCHSAA" page at your website, under Core Values and Beliefs; Sportsmanship, Integrity, Fair Play, Honesty, Respect, Equity, and Fair Competition, ALL speak either directly or indirectly to our concern here. It is far past time to set aside any lingering antagonism between the once "rival" associations and "set the record(s) straight".
  3. '98 State Champion

    Since 1972 ...

    lbedwards After writing a thorough explanation of the 1972 vs 1977 NCHSAA VS WNCHSAA misrepresentation of the record book.......you blew it. And Shelby still comes out on top. Not even close. By choosing to ignore the WNCHSAA Titles from 1972 thru 1976, you deny Shelby 3 more Titles in 4 appearances (72, 75, 76. Lost 74) And you grant Robbinsville 3 Titles in 73, 74, 76. Shelby was even voted AP #1 in 1972 over all associations. Are you going to ignore that, too? Check Washington High in South Dakota and the NFHS for multiple association recognition. Your top public program, regardless of association, in NC since 1972 should read; 19 / Shelby / 3A-2A / 14-5 / 72, 75, 76, 86, 87 (3A), 98, 05, 06, 13, 14, 15, 16, 18, 19 (2AA) 13 / Robbinsville / 1A / 12-1 / 73, 74, 76, 77, 79, 80, 81, 82, 83, 92,14,19 And while mentioning Robbinsville’s 69-71 2-1 Title mark, you failed to mention Shelby was 2-1 from 68-70 in Title games also. You see, the champs from the rival associations never played each other. You had no true unified state champions under one banner until 1977. And the WNCHSAA has had multiple alumni besides Shelby go on to dominate in the unified NCHSAA since 1977. You mention Thomasville and Crest as two of them. Albemarle in 1A. West Rowan, South Point. Who’s to say which association was the best? So, you win all your playoff games and go as far as you can, you are a State Champ. Or nobody is. So, since unification 1977, who is on top? Isn’t THIS what the NCHSAA should adjust its record keeping to ?!? Surprise ! 15 / Shelby / 3A-2A / 11-4 / 86, 87 (3A), 98, 05, 06, 13, 14, 15, 16, 18, 19 (2AA) 11 / Murphy / 1A / 8-3 / 86, 87, 91, 96, 11, 13, 16, 18 11 / Swain County / 8-3 / 2A-1A / 79 (2A), 85, 88, 89, 90, 01, 04 (1A), 11 (1AA) 11 / Charlotte Catholic / 7-4 / 2A-4A / 77 (2A) 04 (2AA), 05 (3AA), 15, 17, 18, 19 10 / Robbinsville / 1A / 9-1 / 77, 79, 80, 81, 82, 83, 92, 14, 19 10/ Reidsville / 8-2 / 2A / 02, 03, 07, 08, 09 (2AA), 16, 18, 19 (2A) 10/ Thomasville / 7-3 / 2A-1A / 88, 91, 95 (2A), 04, 05, 06, 08 (1AA) 10/Wallace-Rose Hill / 7-3 / 2A-1A / 94 (2A), 09, 10 (1A), 14, 15, 16 (1AA), 17 (2A) 10/Crest / 6-4 / 4A-3A / 94, 96 (4A), 03, 04 (3AA), 14 (3A), 15 (3AA) 10/Tarboro / 6-4 / 3A-1A / 84 (3A), 09, 10, 11 (2A), 17, 18 (1AA) 10/Clinton / 5-5 / 2A / 90, 96, 97, 01, 05 Sorry Robbinsville. And Reidsville, you are #6 here. And tied with 7 programs with 10 appearances. Now your observations. And no attempt to diminish anyone. The 11 programs above ARE the best plus Richmond County. 1) Robbinsville went 22 years between Titles. 1992 to 2014. That must be noted. You discuss consistency here later. The bulk of their Titles (9) were between 1973 and 1983. Tremendous run. But 40 years ago. Great they are winning again. Reidsville went 31 years without even appearing in a Title game. 1971 to 2001. All 10 appearances have been in the last 18 years. Others here have significant gaps, also. 2) The Smokey Mountain Conference holy trinity deserves tons of praise. Always had great respect for the Mountain boys. But once again, you fail to mention the obvious. Shelby and Crest ARE IN THE SAME COUNTY !! 5 miles apart ! Between the two programs are 17 State Titles in 25 Appearances in the last 34 years. One of two has been in the Title game 74% of the time since 1986 and won the Title 50% of those 34 years ! Based on accomplishment, the Absolute Best Rivalry in NC. 3) Consistency. Each program has won a title in multiple decades. But.... Only one has won a Title in ALL of the last SIX Decades. Only one has had multiple Title Appearances in ALL of the last SIX decades. The Shelby Golden Lions. Then you avoid our unique Head Coaching history. Prior to our new 2019 Title winning first year Head Coach Mike Wilbanks, there have only been five other head coaches to lead the Golden Lions since 1936; three of them are alumni...of the school. All are alumni of the staff, previously serving as assistants. Think about that. Shelby has never hired a head coach from outside the pride. 4) 4A Humorously, watching the Charlotte programs go from Indy to Butler to Mallard Creek to now Vance, each claiming to be the Greatest Dynasty (?) in NC history, Richmond County has actually been the most consistently winning program in 4A. 2010 to 2019 marks the first decade RC has not won nor even appeared in a Title game since the 70’s. Community support. That is the key. RC fans will tell you that. So will all 11 programs above. The big city schools don’t have it. A big matchup or playoff game will bring out the curious, but crowds nor support are sustained. CC has its own culture. Good for them. It is also a private school. Not sure if the classification penalty evens the playing field, but that is another topic. Much respect for the Cougars Just one more fact. Shelby owns the record for the most All Time wins in North Carolina high school football. The Golden Lions don’t win them all.... They just win more than anyone else. Shelbyhighfootball.com
  4. I agree. However, since we switched to the spread we have been pretty unbeatable in our classification. We have lost 5 2A games since 2011. Two being Western Finals, 1 being a 3rd round game, one a 2011 loss to Lincolnton in week 4 who went on to lose the State Championship game to Tarboro, and 1 to South Point their first year in 2A but avenged the loss in the playoffs. Despite the incredible success we have had, there is no telling what we may have done previously had we switched to the spread earlier. We have been blessed to have incredible athletes in Cleveland County.
  5. Shelby Salisbury 19 1st downs 5 144 rush -6 221 pass 45 365 total 39 Notables - We took 2 shotgun knees at the end of the game for about a 10-12 yard total loss. Salisbury ran a fake punt that picked up about 10 yards.
  6. Salisbury had -7 at the half: 2 First downs -31 Rushing 24 Passing -7 Total yards
  7. Was at Notre Dame with Jack Hollifield when Shipley went up for his visit. I know he was very impressed with ND. Really hoping he chooses the Irish!
  8. That is where Shelby's success comes from. Young boys attend these games and see the Golden Lions out there and aspire to be one someday. The feeder programs have definitely dwindled over the years. We used to have 4 feeder teams...now, with numbers low, they have combined to form 1. Winning definitely brings more kids out.....like you said, they want to be a part of it. They see the rings, and they want one. It will be interesting to see how many are in attendance for Shelby Friday night. This is our 7th Western Final IN A ROW. Incredible success. But fans have also become complacent. We didn't have a ton there last Friday night. I was disappointed in our crowd as was some of our other fans. Hopefully we pack the stands this Friday night....should be fun.
  9. There are two buses that pick students up at the Ruby Y in Boiling Springs and there are 3 buses that pick students up at the Dover Y in Shelby and transport them to TJ.. There may be another pickup location in Shelby. There are a lot from Cleveland County that go there.
  10. Unfortunately, I agree. However, we have had a very recent turn in Shelby. I know of several students who have left Pinnacle and gone to Shelby in the last few months. Several teachers have also left that school for public schools. Charter schools are not public schools. They don't follow under the same "rules" as true public schools. I think with the onset of new helicopter parents, the "fear" of football keeps them from pushing/allowing their kids to play. Kids are also caught up so much in their social lives they don't want the "bother" of playing a team sport....they'd rather be partying on a Friday night or playing video games. Just too many other things to do these days. It's really sad.
  11. '98 State Champion

    I see you Cleveland County

    Yeah....I really wish we (Shelby) had gone small 2A so CleCo could possibly be represented in 3 State Championship games. Not much fun having to go up against a county rival and only 1 of us being able to go on.
  12. '98 State Champion

    I see you Cleveland County

    Yeah....imagine....the 2AA Western Finals being in Shelby playing fellow Cleveland County team Burns and the 3A Western Finals being played at Crest against Kings Mountain would be incredible. Has there been a county with 4 or more high schools where 100% of the schools were playing in the western finals and against each other? Shelby and Crest are less than 5 miles apart....what a night that would be?!?!?!
  13. '98 State Champion

    I see you Cleveland County

    Yeah, tbh Catawba county is way worse than Cleveland County....lol. A little bit.
  14. '98 State Champion

    My Championship Picks

    Richmond loses to Myers Park. Myers Park and Mallard Creek play to go to the title in an epic game.
  15. If KM plays like KM can, they will win going away. Statesville's competition has been horrendous this year, 53 - 86. If KM plays like they did against Crest then it could spell disaster for them.
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