The Top 50 1A teams in NC.
Please remember this poll is total based on numbers with no emotion involved.
ONLY teams with a win are ranked in this poll.
If I have forgotten any team, PLEASE let me know so i can correct the mistake.

This is the formula I used, very simple but it works.
A team gets 10 points for a win.

Plus 2 points against 1A, 4 against 2A, 6 against 3A and 8 against 4A
non conference teams.

Plus 1 point at home.

Plus 2 points away.

Plus 4 points if it is against a 1A, 8 against 2A, 12 against 3A and 16 against 4A conference teams.

1. Swain 48
2. James Kenan 47
3. N. Stokes 47
4. Albemarle 47
5. Lakewood 42
6. Bishop McGuiness 42
7. Lake Norman Charter 42
8. Robbinsville 42
9. Thomas Jefferson 40
10. N. Rowan 35
11. Camden County 34
12. Hendersonville 33
13. Murphy 33
14. S. Stanly 32
15. Red Springs 32
16. Cherokee 32
17. SW Onslow 31
18. Mt. Airy 31
19. Rosman 31
20. East Surry 31
21. East Columbus 30
22. South Robeson 30
23. Manteo 30
24. Weldon 29
25. Elkin 29
26. Avery 29
27. Plymouth 29
28. Northampton Co. 28
29. S. Stokes 28
30. SE Halifax 28
31. Ayden-Grifton 27
32. Chatham Central 27
33. Southside 27
34. Dixon 27
35. Northside 26
36. Midway 26
37. Goldsboro 19
38. Monroe 18
39. W. Montgomery 18*
40. Central Academy 17
41. Union 16
42. Wallace-Rose Hill 15
43. North Wilkes 15
44. Pender 15
45. Cape Hatteras 14
46. Riverside-Martin 14
47. Lejeune 14
48. Hobbton 14
49. West Columbus 14
50. Gates Co. 14
51. Mattamuskeet 14
52. North Duplin 13
53. Hayesville 13
54. Andrews 13
55. North Edgecombe 13
56. East Montgomery 13
57. Cherryville 13
58. Rosewood 13
59. Union Academy 13

* includes forfeit win
Points with in a conference would only apply to 1A and 2A, as there are no 1A / 3A Conferences.

I like what you've done, this is very impressive.

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Chris Hughes
chughes@carolinapreps.com

Thanks a lot Chris.

I can tell you put a lot of work into your system. However, your points system penalizes teams who play strong non-conference schedules. You could beat a weak 1a team on the road and get 14 points, but lose to a strong 4a team on the road and get zero. It will all even out in the wash once conference play starts.

friday night. cant wait.

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Thanks alot, It will even out in the end. Your right that if you play a great 4A team close and lose, you get zero points. But if you beat a weak 4A team on the road you get 20 points. Losing to a real good 4A team has its benefits though, you are better in conference play, and that could translate to beating a team your are even with.
I just thought this number system would take the emotion out of picking teams.

I think 6 points for a close lose against a 4a school and 4 point for a close lose against a 3a school would be fair.

Perhaps it would, but who is going to determine if the loss is close or not. Is it going to be close on the scoreboard or in the stats? I think that awarding points for a loss is a lot like giving kids in school a 60 when they actually earned a 0 on their work. It rewards failure.
For example:
A) 1A Andrews plays 3A Erwin. Erwin runs up 650 yards of total offense, 18 first downs, holds Andrews to 100 yards total offense and 7 first downs. Erwin throws a couple of picks and fumbles 2-3 times, get 15 penalties for 110 yards. Andrews loses 14-8
Or
B) Erwin totals 189 total yards, 9 first downs and Andrews gets 390 total yards, 17 first downs. Andrews fumbles 4 times inside their own 40 and throws 2 picks on their side of the field leading to 35 points for Erwin who wins the game 49-7.
Which game was really close A or B?
What if a 4A school really struggles to beat a 1A school, should we take points away from them? Every 4A team should beat every 1A team they play, right. They are in fact a larger school with many more players to choose from.
I wanted to keep this very scenario out of play because it leads to emotion being involved in picking games.
I completely understand that no one can take emotion out of their picks. Just look at the AP, NCPreps or any local newspaper poll over time. The higher ranked teams will come from the area where the poll is put out.
The AP poll is a good example, the voters in the AP poll, particularly 1A and 2A, traditionally have picked teams in the central portion of NC, it is not until recently that the AP has given reasonable respect to WNC teams, and they are still behind when it comes to Eastern NC teams.
If we could agree on a way to reward teams for playing a larger class school, close I would be all for it, but it must be a uniform measure of closeness that applies to all schools.

Ive always though NC needed to use a point system to determine seeding in a playoff to make it fair for the teams who actually play real teams out of conference versus cupcakes.

My Number System would be the following:
No distinction between non conference or conference. If your conference is weak play better ooc teams, etc etc etc.

Playing against 1a school
-25 Pts for a win
-5 Points for every win that team has on the season (win or lose)

Playing against 2a school
-30 pts for a win
-6 Points for every win that team has on the season (win or lose)

Playing against 3a school
-35 pts for a win
-7 Points for every win that team has on the season (win or lose)

Playing against 4a school
-40 pts for a win
-8 Points for every win that team has on the season (win or lose)

Here are the teams in my top 10 using your formula.
1. James Kenan 111
2. Swain 108
3. Lakewood 102
4. Albemarle 97
5. Lake Norman Charter 92
6. Hendersonville 91
7. Camden County 90
7. N. Stokes 90
9. Robbinsville 86
10. Thomas Jefferson 85
11. N. Rowan 84
12. Bishop McGuiness 80
13. S. Stanly 79
14. Murphy 71
15. Red Springs 60

Here is what my Top 59 from Earlier would look like using "dukeman14" numerical system.
1. James Kenan 111
2. Swain 108
3. Lakewood 102
4. Albemarle 97
5. Lake Norman Charter 92
6. Hendersonville 91
7. Camden County 90
7. N. Stokes 90
9. Robbinsville 86
10. Thomas Jefferson 85
11. N. Rowan 84
12. Bishop McGuiness 80
13. S. Stanly 79
14. East Columbus 78
15. Manteo 72
15. East Surry 72
15. SW Onslow 72
18. Murphy 71
19. Plymouth 65
19. Ayden-Grifton 65
21. Rosman 60
21. Red Springs 60
23. Elkin 55
23. Weldon 55
23. Mt. Airy 55
23. South Robeson 55
23. Cherokee 55
23. SE Halifax 55
23. Midway 55
23. Dixon 55
23. S. Stokes 55
32. Chatham Central 50
32. Southside 50
32. Northside 50
32. Avery 50
32. Northampton Co. 50
37. Goldsboro 42
37. Monroe 42
37. Union 42
37. Central Academy 42
37. Wallace-Rose Hill 42
42. Pender 36
43. North Duplin 35
44. Hobbton 30
45. West Columbus 30
46. North Wilkes 25
46. Cape Hatteras 25
46. Riverside-Martin 25
46. W. Montgomery 25
46. Gates Co. 25
46. Hayesville 25
46. Lejeune 25
46. Andrews 25
46. Cherryville 25
46. North Edgecombe 25
46. East Montgomery 25
46. Union Academy 25
46. Rosewood 25
46. Mattamuskeet 25

This is interesting at least but not very reliable at this time of the year one thing that you failed to take into consideration is the number of games. Other than that I think you may be on to something.

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"Judge your success by what you had to give up in order to get it."

Well thats easy enough. No team can play more than 11 games in a regular season. Most teams in the state 10 with an open week. The only conference that I know of that reguarly plays fewer than 10 games is the Tideland 1A where they some times only play 9 games (only four teams in the conference and thats about to change with realignment). Let the teams play the regular season and then divide the point total by 10 to even every team out, or count the points of only the conference games and enough non-conference games to equal 10 total games. We could drop the endowment game point total. there are several options that would make this work. Please send me your suggestions, love to hear them and work them into the formula.

Here is the new Numbers only poll with Week 4 results added in. Please remember this poll is numbers only!!!

When we look at the numbers, they clearly show that if you play and beat 2A, 3A and 4A teams (especially those with wins) you poll ranking goes up. SWO moved 9 places while Murphy moved up 7, Hendersonville and South Stanley moved 5 spots.

1. Swain 65
2. N. Stokes 60
3. Bishop McGuiness 56
4. Lake Norman Charter 55
5. Thomas Jefferson 53
6. Murphy 49
7. Hendersonville 49
8. SW Onslow 48
9. S. Stanly 48
10. Albemarle 47
11. James Kenan 47
12. Mt. Airy 46
13. East Columbus 45
14. Manteo 45
15. Red Springs 45
16. SE Halifax 44
17. Plymouth 43
18. Camden County 34
19. Robbinsville 42
20. Ayden-Grifton 42
21. Lakewood 42
22. Northampton Co. 41
23. S. Stokes 41
24. Midway 41
25. Goldsboro 37
26. N. Rowan 35
27. W. Montgomery 34
28. Cherokee 32
29. Rosman 31
30. East Surry 31
31. South Robeson 30
32. Weldon 29 Chatham Central 27
33. Elkin 29
34. Avery 29
35. West Columbus 28
36. Union 27
37. Southside 27
38. Dixon 27
39. Mattamuskeet 27
40. Andrews 26
41. North Duplin 26
42. Gates Co. 26
43. Northside 26
44. Monroe 18
45. Central Academy 17
46. West Wilkes 16
47. Pender 15
48. North Wilkes 15
49. Wallace-Rose Hill 15
50. Cape Hatteras14
51. Lejeune 14
52. Hobbton 14
53. Riverside-Martin 14
54. Hayesville 13
55. North Edgecombe 13
56. East Montgomery 13
57. Cherryville 13
58. Rosewood 13
59. Union Academy 13
60. Creswell 12
61. East Carteret 11

Now here is the Number Poll using Dukeman14's system

Again this poll shows that wins equal higher ranking. Swain and Goldsboro each beat 3A teams with two wins to earn 49 points, Manteo and East Columbus each earned 42, Midway, SWO and TJA each earned 35 and West Montgomery earned 32. Goldsboro moved up 21 spots in this week’s poll, while Midway moved 11, Manteo and SWO moved 8, East Columbus 7and TJA 4. Mattamuskeet made the biggest jump moving 20 places from 59 to 39.

1. Swain 157
2. Hendersonville 121
3. East Columbus 120
3. N. Stokes 120
3. Thomas Jefferson 120
6. Lake Norman Charter 117
7. Manteo 114
8. James Kenan 111
9. SW Onslow 107
10. S. Stanly 109
11. Bishop McGuiness 105
12. Lakewood 102
13. Murphy 101
14. Albemarle 97
15. Ayden-Grifton 95
16. Goldsboro 91
16. Mt. Airy 91
18. Camden County 90
18. Plymouth 90
18. Midway 90
21. Robbinsville 86
22. Red Springs 85
22. SE Halifax 85
24. N. Rowan 84
25. S. Stokes 80
26. Northampton Co. 75
26. North Duplin 75
28. East Surry 72
29. Union 67
30. Rosman 60
30. West Columbus 60
32. W. Montgomery 57
33. Dixon 55
33. Elkin 55
33. South Robeson 55
33. Weldon 55
33. Cherokee 55
33. Mattamuskeet 55
38. Andrews 50
38. Avery 50
38. Southside 50
38. Gates Co. 50
38. Chatham Central 50
38. Northside 50
44. Monroe 42
44. Wallace-Rose Hill 42
44. Central Academy 42
47. Pender 36
48. Hobbton 30
48. West Wilkes 30
50. Hayesville 25
50. Lejeune 25
50. Riverside-Martin 25
50. Cherryville 25
50. North Edgecombe 25
50. East Montgomery 25
50. Union Academy 25
50. Rosewood 25
50. Cape Hatteras 25
50. Creswell 25
50. East Carteret 25
50. North Wilkes 25