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2017 4A Preseason Power Rankings


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#51 btango

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Posted 25 July 2017 - 10:50 AM

Blakk, once again you post bits of truth with incorrect information or your fantasy opinions. I was involved with the Citizens Committee on Eligibility. I know more about it than most. Being involved with a youth program that sent most of its players to Butler and Indy with several to the NFL I saw how things worked.

To clarify Knotts told me in 2005 when he returned that he wanted to complete his 30 years and make an economic move. 2009-2010 gave him 30 years. When the incident with parent happened it was 2007 and Indy still had not lost to a Charlotte team. The system investigation of Indy would not start until December.

Goid luck to the West Side teams. I remember Hambacher coached West Meck making strong runs in the late 1980's and Harding's magical run with Knotts and before that Mike Eppley at QB. I was a West Charlotte supporter for years.

Strong West Side football is good for Charlotte. Strong, factual, respectful posting is good for Carolina Preps.

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Posted 25 July 2017 - 11:24 AM

The thing about it hokie is you don't have to play all those teams to win a title.  Several of them will knock each other out.  

 

I and anyone who understands why we have "classes" would completely disagree with you....as you said, it is all "relative".  The challenge of a 4A school beating a couple good 4A schools to win a title is no different than the challenge of a 2A school beating a couple good 2A schools or 3A beating 3A or 1A beating 1A.  The talent of the 22 men on the field is of course not the same between the classes but because of parity, the magnitude of the challenge is exactly the same.   The 22 men on the field within each class "should be" relatively the same.  Let's say 7A was the highest class we had.  The teams fighting for a title within 7A is no more or less competitive than the teams fighting for a title in any of the other 6 classes.  Now some years there may be 5 or so more competitive teams within each class but the magnitude of the challenge for that particular school in that particular class is no different between the classes.  

This is a well thought out and logically put forth post.

 

98 why can't you do this all the time?

 

I would enjoy reading posts like this much more than many of your others.

 

Thank you for the experience.

 

I truly mean that.



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Posted 25 July 2017 - 06:29 PM

Chris,

 

Khmal Howard going from East Meck to Myers park move them into the top 5? 



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Posted 25 July 2017 - 09:10 PM

Wow!

#55 btango

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Posted 25 July 2017 - 10:00 PM

Chris,

Khmal Howard going from East Meck to Myers park move them into the top 5?


Wow!

Shuford has coached him for three years and leaves. Surprising.

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Posted 25 July 2017 - 10:02 PM

The thing about it hokie is you don't have to play all those teams to win a title.  Several of them will knock each other out.  

 

I and anyone who understands why we have "classes" would completely disagree with you....as you said, it is all "relative".  The challenge of a 4A school beating a couple good 4A schools to win a title is no different than the challenge of a 2A school beating a couple good 2A schools or 3A beating 3A or 1A beating 1A.  The talent of the 22 men on the field is of course not the same between the classes but because of parity, the magnitude of the challenge is exactly the same.   The 22 men on the field within each class "should be" relatively the same.  Let's say 7A was the highest class we had.  The teams fighting for a title within 7A is no more or less competitive than the teams fighting for a title in any of the other 6 classes.  Now some years there may be 5 or so more competitive teams within each class but the magnitude of the challenge for that particular school in that particular class is no different between the classes.  

 

Good post. I'll agree with all of this.



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Posted 26 July 2017 - 07:17 AM

Is Sanderson really a top 10 team? More talented than Myers Park?

Sanderson has always been competitive. They've just never seemed to be able to put it all together down the stretch.



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Posted 26 July 2017 - 07:27 AM

What do you think about Heritage High this year? Have some D1 guys on both sides of the ball.

Heritage will be VERY good on both sides of the ball. Holmberg and Person are showing light years of progress from last year and Drake Thomas and the D-line as a whole looks solid. They have a really good shot at beating us this year.



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Posted 26 July 2017 - 07:57 AM

Heritage will be VERY good on both sides of the ball. Holmberg and Person are showing light years of progress from last year and Drake Thomas and the D-line as a whole looks solid. They have a really good shot at beating us this year.

 

I think they meet twice this season. 



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Posted 26 July 2017 - 09:20 AM

No justification for Sanderson over Myers Park now.

 

Talented back and probably underrated in a year with so many 4 and 5 star kids in this state. In a normal year he is probably getting a ton more attention. That said.....Some transfers=workable   Lots of transfers= potential issues. Especially late in the game at a high profile position. Just like with the QB position presumably there was a kid at RB who has been grinding for a year in the weight room and during the 100 degree heat looking forward to getting 20+ carries in what looks to be a very good offense. That has changed quickly. 

 

Every thing I have ever heard about Chadwick has been very positive. He probably has the skill set to deal with these type of issues but the hump is real. The most talented team doesnt always win the title. Delicate balance. The good news is that schedule has one, maybe two teams that should challenge them.



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Posted 26 July 2017 - 10:20 AM

At Myers Park, Howard will likely be getting much fewer carries running behind a much worse oline (based on last year). I would expect his output to drop considerably.

 

The team overall should be better, though. Adding talent to the roster is usually a good thing for the big picture. If the system isn't set up to maximize that talent, however, then the effect can be somewhat muted. Myers Park does not have a running scheme better equipped to maximize that talent than what East Meck had, so I don't know how much of a difference this move will ultimately make.



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Posted 26 July 2017 - 10:50 AM

Smart move by Howard.

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Posted 26 July 2017 - 09:16 PM

Its ok to have Charlotte bias, we understand.



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Posted 27 July 2017 - 02:35 PM

At least Charlotte has titles to justify ranking the best team's high.

As on other forums we know those folx in Rockingham n lauringburg are biased anyways

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Posted 27 July 2017 - 03:49 PM

No Catholic, Dudley, and a few others makes 4A very weak. The split of 4A/ 4AA at playoff time makes them both very weak. I guess in 4A/4AA everyone with 2 wins will make a few more gate bucks.

Resume: As coach my teams advanced to the playoffs every year. Consistantly a playoff contender. .

#66 RaiderDebater

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Posted 27 July 2017 - 09:16 PM

You aren't wrong.



Not all of them!

#67 btango

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Posted 27 July 2017 - 11:32 PM

The split of 4A/ 4AA at playoff time makes them both very weak. I guess in 4A/4AA everyone with 2 wins will make a few more gate bucks.

Resume: As coach my teams advanced to the playoffs every year. Consistantly a playoff contender. .

 

4A will have 48 teams in the playoffs.  Percentage wise 1A and 4A will not be much different on teams making the playoffs.  With 48 teams in I would expect all 4A teams to have at least four wins.



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Posted 28 July 2017 - 06:55 AM

4A will have 48 teams in the playoffs.  Percentage wise 1A and 4A will not be much different on teams making the playoffs.  With 48 teams in I would expect all 4A teams to have at least four wins.


I had forgotten the number was reduced recently. Still too many rounds to reach a championship for classications. Sub 500 teams should not make the playoffs nor anyone outside two teams in a conference. Playing 15 and 16 games a year WAS longer than college seasons before the split conference title games.

The seasons for all high school sports has too much overlap. Kids needs need a break and I think it has led to multiple sport kids becoming one sport athletes. Ok for large schools but not so much for schools less than 1200 ADM. I'll add I am not a fan of any conference alignment where members are playing 4, 5, and 6 non conference opponents.

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Posted 28 July 2017 - 10:11 AM

At least Charlotte has titles to justify ranking the best team's high.


with the total amount iof schools the title possibility is much higher, is it a title that justify a ranking or overall results in a season. We are all bias to our local areas it's ok that you are also.... Whether Scotland wins or loses it will be downplayed by you

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Posted 28 July 2017 - 10:17 AM

4A will have 48 teams in the playoffs. Percentage wise 1A and 4A will not be much different on teams making the playoffs. With 48 teams in I would expect all 4A teams to have at least four wins.


so will that be 4 first round byes on each side
4 games 4 byes

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Posted 28 July 2017 - 01:18 PM

Any loss this year outside of MC will be amplified because you literally have the easiest route to a title if Wake Forest stays 4AA.

whether if creek wins or scots win it really doesn't matter because both are top notch teams. My thing is the people that think it's gonna b a blowout on either side....its not gonna happen. Gonna b a close one til late until one team makes a bad mistake. It's gonna b a good one non the less

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Posted 31 July 2017 - 09:19 AM

I'll admit it is strange reading the words "Sanderson" and "Harding" on something like this.  New blood is good though.  Hopefully, I'll get to see that Harding RB in action before the end of 2018.  



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Posted 31 July 2017 - 10:10 AM

Harding has some pretty darn good talent outside of the RB, Think they have an OLman who could easily go D1. Only thing holding them back is lack of coaches.


And a defense

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Posted 31 July 2017 - 10:40 AM

Harding has some pretty darn good talent outside of the RB, Think they have an OLman who could easily go D1. Only thing holding them back is lack of coaches.


Gwyn will have a nice list of schools to select from.




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