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Recommendation to Improve Wells Fargo Cup System


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#1 NCHSFBRULES

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Posted 24 May 2017 - 03:53 PM

Not sure if someone from the NCHSAA would be interested but came across a potential way of improving the existing Wells Fargo Cup program moving forward. Currently, I believe all sports are treated equally and points are awarded primarily based on a team's finish at the state level (top eight teams receive points starting at 50 points for 1st place, 45 for 2nd, etc.). As you can imagine, especially at the 1A or 2A levels, charter/magnet programs in the larger metropolitan areas will tend to dominate the final rankings as they tend to offer a wider array of sports (lacrosse, golf, swimming/diving, etc.) and will perform well in these areas likely due to potential socioeconomic differences (not blaming them for this reality). For example, one of the top 10 programs in the Wells Fargo Cup 1A standings last year did not even offer a football program.

 

The NCAA has a similar program (The Capital Cup) to recognize the success of athletic programs. However, they have a weighted scale that places a higher value on certain key sports (Football, Basketball, Soccer, etc.). I think the same concept might be a better indicator of the overall success of a NC high school athletic program. 

 

Taking the current system, you would still award the same number of points for teams finishing 1st - 8th in the following "major" sports: Football, Soccer (M, W), Basketball (M, W), Volleyball (W), Baseball and Softball. For all other sports (Track & Field, Cross Country, Golf, Lacrosse, Swimming/Diving, Tennis, Wrestling and Cheerleading), you would cut the points awarded by half (25 its for 1st place, etc.) or some other factor (1/3, 1/4, 1/5, etc.). The NCAA Capital Cup uses a 1/3 factor (the "major sports" receive 3 times the points as other sports.

 

I know there is a case to be made that the true measure of a high school athletic program is the number of sports offered but I think this adjustment would make a more meaningful system, especially for schools in more rural areas of the state. Just my two cents worth.

 


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Posted 24 May 2017 - 06:21 PM

When did soccer become a key sport? Nice argument. Validation lost with soccer. 



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Posted 24 May 2017 - 07:11 PM

Thought I would take a shot for that one.....actually, I thought I would get more flack for not including wrestling. I was just trying to think of sports that most high schools currently offer.  The NCHSAA could come up with a certain threshold to determine the "major" sports that qualify (at least 80% of the schools have the sport available, etc.). 



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Posted 25 May 2017 - 08:39 AM

Anyone have an updated standings on the Wells Fargo Cup? 



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Posted 25 May 2017 - 01:08 PM

The last update (March 22, 2017) included the Fall and Winter results (see below). There will be a final calculation after the Spring results and an announcement from the NCHSAA.

 

1A Wells Fargo Cup Winter Standings

1 – Mount Airy – 390

2 – Lincoln Charter – 310

3 – Raleigh Charter – 265

4 – Bishop McGuinness – 240

T5 – Gray Stone Day – 225

T5 – Franklin Academy – 225

T7 – Murphy – 202.5

T7 – Community School of Davidson – 202.5   

9 – Wallace-Rose Hill – 192.5

10 – East Carteret – 177.5

11 – Riverside-Martin – 167.5

12 – West Montgomery – 157.5

13 – Whiteville – 152.5

14 – Voyager – 147.5

15 – Roxboro Community – 145

 

2A Wells Fargo Cup Winter Standings

1 – Lake Norman Charter – 305

2 – Carborro – 295

3 – NC School of Science & Math – 260

4 – Croatan – 250

5 – First Flight – 247.5

6 – Northside- Jacksonville – 187.5

7 – Brevard – 185   

T8 – Smoky Mountain – 182.5

T8 – North Surry – 182.5

10 – Durham School of the Arts – 177.5

11 – Hendersonville – 170

12 – Shelby – 167.5

T13 – Clinton – 165

T13 – Washington – 165

14 –  Chase – 152.5

 

3A Wells Fargo Cup Winter Standings

1 – Marvin Ridge – 492.5

2 – Weddington – 385

3 – Chapel Hill – 365

4 – Northern Guilford – 292.5

5 – Cox Mill – 222.5

6 – Jacksonville – 190

7 – West Carteret – 172.5

8 – Concord – 167.5

9 – Cuthbertson – 165

10 – Asheville – 162.5  

11 – A.C. Reynolds – 155

12 – Hickory Ridge – 152.5

T13 – Freedom – 145

T13 – Terry Sanford – 145

15 – Orange – 142.5

 

4A Wells Fargo Cup Winter Standings

1 – Green Hope – 402.5

T2 – Cardinal Gibbons – 230

T2 – Ronald Reagan – 230

4 – Charlotte Catholic – 220

5 – Leesville Road – 215

6 – West Forsyth – 210  

7 – W.A. Hough – 202.5

8 – Myers Park – 195

9 – Providence – 180

10 – Broughton – 172.5

T11 – Pinecrest – 160

T11 – Southeast Raleigh – 160

13 – Davie – 152.5

14 – Page – 150

T15 – Northwest Guilford – 142.5

T15 – South Mecklenburg – 142.5



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Posted 26 May 2017 - 12:57 PM

Wrestling > soccer


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Posted 27 May 2017 - 02:52 PM

When did soccer become a key sport? Nice argument. Validation lost with soccer.


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Posted 27 May 2017 - 05:29 PM

I love wrestling. Think it one if the great comparison sports. One on one. Unfortunately it has lost a lot of its strength with title nine and the reduction of international weight classes. Soccer has more participants and it is played by both sexes.

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Posted 28 May 2017 - 08:05 AM

I think you can make a case for smaller schools not offering a particular sport, but not larger schools.  South Caldwell, for example, is the largest school in a conference where several other smaller schools offer Lacrosse.  Next school year the Spartans and McDowell will be the only 4A schools in the NW3A/4A and yet there will be four 3A schools with Lacrosse.  Frankly I think that any school should be encouraged to offer as many different sports as possible.  i can remember when Mitchell, for instance, offered neither soccer or cross country as a 2A school, though the Mountaineers have both as a 1A school now (or at least did recently).  Other schools don't offer wrestling (especially in the east) so having a system, like the Wells Fargo cup, that rewards participation in a wide variety of sports is a good thing.  Having said that there are obvious examples where it would be extremely difficult-if not impossible-for schools to have certain sports.  Schools without access to an indoor pool can't have swimming or diving as a winter sport.  So maybe some sort of formula that awards points for state championships based on the percentage of schools that participate in a sport at the classification level in which schools participate would be more fair.


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