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#1 Gonzo

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Posted 08 May 2017 - 07:56 AM

I was looking and read an article that the new system is going down to 48 teams instead of 64. My questions are will there still be a small 1a and 1aa champ? And how will you seed if more teams in the west has better teams than the east or vice versa

#2 Knights

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Posted 08 May 2017 - 08:01 AM

Yes they will still be 1a/1aa champs.

It doesn't matter how good West or east is. Has nothing to do with it.


#3 Gonzo

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Posted 08 May 2017 - 08:11 AM

So will only 24 make it from small 1a and 24 from big 1a or is it just top 1a schools all together

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Posted 08 May 2017 - 10:26 AM

There will be 24 small and 24 big.  They will determine just like in years past.  The top 48 will qualify, then they will divide big and small, then they will divide east and west from those 24.   You will most likely see some of the teams that have previously played 1AA go down to 1A.



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Posted 08 May 2017 - 11:02 AM

then the week 1 byes are handed out.


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#6 Superkase

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Posted 09 May 2017 - 02:25 PM

This is good news.  Any idea if 4a is doing the same thing?

 

Never mind, I got off my lazy butt and looked for myself.  Glad 4A is doing it as well.


Edited by Superkase, 09 May 2017 - 04:05 PM.


#7 Vik-Val 86

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Posted 12 May 2017 - 01:34 PM

How will they go about doing the 1st rd. bye?

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Posted 12 May 2017 - 03:58 PM

1A will have 24 teams, 1AA will have 24 teams, and out of those 24, eight teams will have first round byes.



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Posted 12 May 2017 - 06:48 PM

Just wondering RD are they going to go MaxPreps rankings or Conference Champions with the "bye" game? It may have been posted but trying to decipher the NCHSAA bs is too much trouble. They need to drain the swamp up there for sure! 



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Posted 12 May 2017 - 07:48 PM

http://www.highschoo...kings/16686653/



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Posted 13 May 2017 - 04:19 AM

Just wondering RD are they going to go MaxPreps rankings or Conference Champions with the "bye" game? It may have been posted but trying to decipher the NCHSAA bs is too much trouble. They need to drain the swamp up there for sure!

The NCHSAA admin wanted to go to 32 teams split to 16 and four rounds. The schools wanted to stay with 64. NCHSAA then recommended 40. They basically met in the middle.

The seeding could have been simplified but the thought it this is the most fair to all schools.

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Posted 15 May 2017 - 10:54 AM

I'm happy to see the number of automatic qualifiers from a conference is based on conference size, that was a needed change.  I used to not want to see MaxPreps used at all, but in this age of experimentation we may as well try it.  Maybe using MaxPreps will encourage teams to try to schedule harder competition, like the article said.



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Posted 15 May 2017 - 02:23 PM

The schedule strength of the conference games that you can't control shouldn't be a factor at all. You think West Montgomery wants to play Chatham Central, South Davidson, East Montgomery and Albemarle year in and year out and drag them up and down the field? That doesn't help them at all come playoff time. At least East is moving up to 2A next season and that game will be early in the season when West is breaking in a new coach and QB. As far as the rest of the crowd goes it's the conference they were put in and with North Rowan at least there will be one competitive game next season. The rest will be 30-40 point blowouts if not worse. Another problem West is having is OOC scheduling. None of the bigger boys want to play due to worrying about catching a loss. i.e. Marvin Ridge. Simple way to do it is if a team is below .500 they don't make it. Take the teams that are .500 and split them equally and then subdivide. 



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Posted 15 May 2017 - 04:11 PM

Marvin Ridge plays a pretty tough non conference schedule. 2017 it will be South Meck, Ardrey Kell, AL Brown, and Parkland. Not sure about Parkland but I think the other three teams are tougher matchups and probably with bigger gates than West Montgomery.

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Posted 15 May 2017 - 07:06 PM

West spanked em couple times in the last 5 years. They don't want to get embarrassed again by a 1A school. They may have turned it around now though idk

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Posted 15 May 2017 - 08:28 PM

Just using MR as an example. West struggles to get the higher classification teams to play them. I wish West would have left the YVC and played up in a 2A conference. With Albemarle battling Chatham Central and South Davidson for who can go 0 fer the season there's three games that you can count on a running clock before half time. Throw in North Stanly and North Moore running clocks after halftime and that's five games that the team won't get to play in a "real" time game. Hopefully Thomasville and West Stanly have a little to offer. The "rivalry" game well, like I've said before it's only a rivalry because of location. That hype machine was put to bed this year. East will have had the most on the line in all three sports only to lose every time against West Montgomery with quite possibly their best teams ever. I do think the North Rowan game could be a heck of a challenge. Depending on what they have coming back and make it through the off season North could challenge West for the Conference Title. That will loom large come playoff seeding. Using Maxpreps will ultimately hurt West and it's a shame. Albemarle, Central, South Davidson etc...should drop to 8 man football if they can't do any better than what they have the last few years. It's not fair to the teams that are forced to play them. 



#17 Paul Graham

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Posted 21 May 2017 - 08:01 AM

Using maxpreps can and will leave undefeated teams seeded lower then teams with a loss or losses. While we can gripe about SOS the fact that a team is undefeated should mean something. If a team schedules week Nonconf games to pad their schedule it will show up come playoff time. Teams like Murphy that play tougher Nonconf schedules and play a tough conference schedule will be seeded lower and play a tougher playoff schedule.

My thought would be to seed all true undefeated teams first using a coin flip, then seed the remaining conf. champs based on all 11 games with head to head as first tie breaker, then a coin flip after that. After that let the MP ratings sort out everyone else.

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#18 btango

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Posted 21 May 2017 - 12:47 PM

Paul, if a team is undefeated and plays crap opponents they may be placed behind a team that has losses but lost to very good teams.

If Murphy had a loss to ACR and Asheville in non conference should they be seeded lower than a team that is undefeated but beat up on current Albemarle's in non conference? I do not think so.

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Posted 21 May 2017 - 05:12 PM

Like Paul said tho, it will work itself out in the playoffs. Mitchell, with their pillowish non conference schedule, could very well go undefeated in the regular season. But it won't help them against a team like Murphy, West Montgomery, or mount airy, except maybe home field...

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Posted 21 May 2017 - 06:59 PM

Mitchell, with their pillowish non conference schedule, could very well go undefeated in the regular season.

Maybe not the proper thread for this but Mitchell has to get past Mtn. Heritage before they can even think about undefeated.

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Posted 21 May 2017 - 08:44 PM

Mitchell, with their pillowish non conference schedule, could very well go undefeated in the regular season.

Maybe not the proper thread for this but Mitchell has to get past Mtn. Heritage before they can even think about undefeated.


No kidding. They've had our number for a while now. Of course, I was just making a point... bowhunter, head over to the 2a forum and weigh in on the old toe battle

#22 Paul Graham

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Posted 22 May 2017 - 08:12 AM

yes i believe that being undefeated means something and that every team has the opportunity to schedule in a way that allows them the best chance of being undefeated. Those teams that play the Chatham Centrals will find the door pretty quickly come playoff time.   


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#23 uncgrad1998

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Posted 23 May 2017 - 09:56 AM

I would think going to a smaller number of teams will almost guarantee teams like Murphy and Mitchell will be 1AA from now on unless both schools see a significant decrease in student population.


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Posted 23 May 2017 - 01:09 PM

Not right. This assures Murphy will stay small for years to come. Good job.


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Posted 28 May 2017 - 10:43 PM

After some research and number crunching, basing solely on last year's adm's and seeding records, it looks like the big/small cutoff will be roughly in the same area as before going between cherryville (531) and perquimans (530). The big change in looks like West Montgomery and North Moore could be placed in the East. With North stanly as the eastern most West team and West Montgomery as the western most East team. Of course, this all VERY preliminary and going off last year's stats...




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