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#26 btango

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Posted 15 April 2017 - 11:17 AM

GSD may have only took but a few future footballers but the loss of quality students resulted in the loss of academic offerings leading to the further loss of students to other county schools. GSD was the snowball effect.



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Posted 15 April 2017 - 01:43 PM

I'm going to stop short in actually stating this, but it's almost as if a small group has colluded together over the years in an attempt to actually do all they can to see this school fail, whether in an attempt to show cause for closing it, or potentially envy and settling the score in their own ways for the years of athletic beatings they took at the hands of the Bulldogs.

 

After the game with Murphy in the playoffs (regional championship) in 2013 that they lost badly it has been all downhill. Hope they get back to playing winning football soon.



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Posted 15 April 2017 - 07:13 PM

It won't happen. Politics and lack of financial support. Murph, the best thing that can happen next year is Murphy, East Surry, West Montgomery and Mt. Airy/N. Rowan( if they get it together) in the final four of the West. Murphy(1AA) vs. West Montgomery in the finals of the West. That will be a hell of a game. I see there's nothing from MIC??? Wonder why? West Montgomery will be ready. Deeper, and not so much a team that hasn't been there. The underclassmen have one goal. They are not satisfied as being told to watch as a team takes the field with the Trophy. Holmes will be WRH/JK of the past. They are 100% the favorite and should be. Y'all bring it. We love smash mouth.



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Posted 15 April 2017 - 08:35 PM

No dog or cat in the fight here, but when did Albemarle football go into a downward spiral?  2014 under Doug Talbert, with a record of 1-10 that included and seven forfeit losses?  Or, 2015, under Scott Smith, with the Bulldogs finishing 3-9?



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Posted 15 April 2017 - 09:54 PM

No dog or cat in the fight here, but when did Albemarle football go into a downward spiral?  2014 under Doug Talbert, with a record of 1-10 that included and seven forfeit losses?  Or, 2015, under Scott Smith, with the Bulldogs finishing 3-9?

 

It started long ago as a drizzle before the full storm.  They were 8-3 on the field with Talbert who was thrown in the deep end very late when Smith resigned.  First time HFC and first time AD led to issues on documentation for the 8 quarter rule.  

 

I don't think you can blame the failures of football on a head coach there.



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Posted 15 April 2017 - 10:03 PM

You can't blame a coach, an AD, or just one person.  It all points to administration ...



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Posted 16 April 2017 - 01:45 PM

It all seems like the BOE over there has their heads stck in the sand while all this mess is happening ...



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Posted 16 April 2017 - 05:16 PM

It started long ago as a drizzle before the full storm.  They were 8-3 on the field with Talbert who was thrown in the deep end very late when Smith resigned.  First time HFC and first time AD led to issues on documentation for the 8 quarter rule.  

 

I don't think you can blame the failures of football on a head coach there.

Seems like it all started when Smith resigned then blew up with the forfeits and then showed up on the field in 2015. 2017 does not look anymore promising. Sad especially for those who truly care about Albemarle and want to help but are blunted by the ineptitude of Stanly County government officials. 

I still think consolidation is the best option for the county as a whole, but the way it seems to be going now that may not happen anytime soon. 


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Posted 16 April 2017 - 05:17 PM

Will be surprised if they field a team from what the rumblings are coming out of Stanly County. Many returning players are looking to play elsewhere.



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Posted 17 April 2017 - 08:18 PM

word is they are hiring ralph jackson as coach

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Posted 17 April 2017 - 08:37 PM

word is they are hiring ralph jackson as coach

 

I would be surprised if Ralph makes that move but may be there are issues at Anson.  Non conference schedule looks tough!  Think Ralph would like a better situation and a pay raise not the exact opposite of both.  I do think the new principal may have coached at Anson at one time and came to AHS from there.

 

I think Anson will be much more competitive in 2A.



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Posted 18 April 2017 - 08:46 AM

I would be surprised if Ralph makes that move but may be there are issues at Anson.  Non conference schedule looks tough!  Think Ralph would like a better situation and a pay raise not the exact opposite of both.  I do think the new principal may have coached at Anson at one time and came to AHS from there.

 

I think Anson will be much more competitive in 2A.

Jackson has put in for other jobs so he may be looking to move. Not sure why he'd wanna go to Albemarle with the situation they are in, but maybe he thinks he can win there. Gonna be tough though regardless of who is hired. 


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Posted 18 April 2017 - 09:04 AM

Funny that I see where some Albemarle fans are complaining about kids transferring out!!! Oh the irony of that one. Whoever takes over the AHS job has more than their work cut out for them. AHS is a 1-3 win team for at least the next 5-6 years. Now, if all of a sudden the "doors" open like in days past who knows, maybe they'll have a run again. I don't see it happening. Too many rules, restrictions and eyes watching to allow what happened at AHS in the past happen again. It's not 1998 anymore!! Social media has made sure that the minute something fishy happens someone is there with a camera. TA wouldn't have lasted one season had that been the case when he was in high school.



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Posted 18 April 2017 - 09:17 AM

My understanding is GSD doesn't have a football team, yet anyway. This would be the opportunity for GSD to bid into Albemarle, the school board could wipe their hands of albemarle and consolidate the remaining high schools. Cost saving for the district and GSD gets an expansion and football program.

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Posted 18 April 2017 - 12:31 PM

Funny that I see where some Albemarle fans are complaining about kids transferring out!!! Oh the irony of that one. Whoever takes over the AHS job has more than their work cut out for them. AHS is a 1-3 win team for at least the next 5-6 years. Now, if all of a sudden the "doors" open like in days past who knows, maybe they'll have a run again. I don't see it happening. Too many rules, restrictions and eyes watching to allow what happened at AHS in the past happen again. It's not 1998 anymore!! Social media has made sure that the minute something fishy happens someone is there with a camera. TA wouldn't have lasted one season had that been the case when he was in high school.

 

I am sure there were some players that were at AHS because of football but those numbers would have been low.  Most of the kids came up through the youth football league and many had parents that attended AHS.  Some were legitmate relocations.  There were some really impressive footballers in Stanly County in the early 2000's that did not attend AHS.  One was a Parade AA.  Another was a multi time All ACC at UNC.  A few others were starters at D1A schools.  I would expect those would be the ones that went to AHS.

 

You bash Albemarle at every opportunity.  You never provide any definitive information. 



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Posted 18 April 2017 - 12:33 PM

My understanding is GSD doesn't have a football team, yet anyway. This would be the opportunity for GSD to bid into Albemarle, the school board could wipe their hands of albemarle and consolidate the remaining high schools. Cost saving for the district and GSD gets an expansion and football program.

 

GSD is over twenty minutes from AHS door to door.  No transportation and no cafeteria so no government subsidized meals.  The curriculum and homework requirements are much more advanced.  Probably would not work that smoothly.  In addition I do not think they really have a desire for football.



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Posted 18 April 2017 - 05:18 PM

Proper decorum and possibly board rules prevent mentioning players by name and as a rule of thumb I agree with that rule 100%. I do know for a fact that several students who lived in the West Montgomery school district attended Albemarle for their last three years of high school. A few even started as freshmen and went all four years. I believe the total was 5 students over a total of 7 years that played significant roles in the a few of their title years. Did they make the difference? No. But, you add in the ones from around Stanly County, the loosely followed academics and discipline and you see why so many have disdain for AHS. Take away that 10-12 year run and what do you have? I'll tell you what you have. Exactly what you've seen the last three years. So if you are a sports fan and statistics matter riddle me this. The so called "glory" years of Albemarle more a sign of things to come, years of dedication, hard work and a rich tradition of athletes and athletic success or was it a perfect storm of liberal interpretation of the rules, attendance policies and coaching staffs that were quick to look the other way and cover for star athletes on and off the field? I promise you that if smart phones were available back then there is no way in hell that AHS would have 5 titles. If I were you I'd just sit back and enjoy the run that AHS had and leave well enough alone. Imagine if there was a 30 for 30 in NCHS football. Would you want them to come in and do a tell all about those years?



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Posted 18 April 2017 - 06:16 PM

The students in question are no longer minors. You are most definitely allowed to post the names of players that played at AHS that lived outside the district if they are now out of high school.  



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Posted 18 April 2017 - 07:03 PM

The students in question are no longer minors. You are most definitely allowed to post the names of players that played at AHS that lived outside the district if they are now out of high school.


I agree, if the players at question are now legal adults, well into their 20's or 30's, then have at it.

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 04:55 AM

With all due respect I view that calling out individual players is inappropriate regardless of age. It is a well known fact it happened and most of Albemarle fans have admitted and accepted that the practice went on. I referenced it to prove a point. The point being that a school that has historically finished at or in the bottom of their conferences for 50+ years has a 10 year run of success and then suddenly falls back to the bottom of one of if not the weakest conferences in the state there's a reason. The reason has been stated. The hangers on to the idea that all the talent was walking the halls of the city school system are kidding themselves. If that's the case then where did all of the stud athletes all of a sudden disappear to? And I'll leave it at that.



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Posted 19 April 2017 - 10:20 AM

"Where have all the studs gone" can partly be answered by the fact that AHS had over 680 students in the early 2000's. As of April 3rd there are right at 400 enrolled. The best basketball players at AHS and some top baseballers along with other top athletes are no longer at AHS. SCS allowed them to leave due to the lack of academic offerings. One family moved specifically to get out of the district.

AHS played in the ultra competitve WNCHSAA as their numbers dwindled into 2A territory and were 3A after the state merger. In 1992 then football coach Tom Eanes requested the admin accept their 1A placement for the upcoming alignment. That did not happen until the 2001 alignment coinciding with the first title.

AHS was an elite state power in the 1940's and 1950's. In the early 1970's it looked like they turned the corner but the coach lasted two years before heading to college and then professionally. AHS had decent teams in the 1980's but not great success.

Gaster's second team went 12-1 in an excellent 2A conference. Third team lost four games, three by less than a TD and then went back to double digit wins from then on. The players from the title teams mostly came through the youth league which Gaster established.

In 2000 AHS was one of the smallest 2A schools. In 1A they were one of the largest 2001-2004. There is a significant drop off overall between 2A and 1A. Not sure they win titles in 2A.

I expect, like most successful teams, some players moved in for football. To say that is the reason for success is ridiculous but with the source or messenger it is expected.

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 10:33 AM

With all due respect I view that calling out individual players is inappropriate regardless of age.


But you feel free to repeatedly talk negative about teams and insinuate illegal or unethical behavior with zero supporting info.

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 02:10 PM

Please explain how then for the entire history of Albemarle High School they were irrelevant in football until all of a sudden the "open" enrollment policy began in Stanly County? After a 10-12 year run they have once again fell back to bottom feeders. Now do you want to discuss TA and his living arrangements while in high school and his penchant for discipline issues? No need to keep this going. It is what it is. Anyways, good luck next season!!



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Posted 19 April 2017 - 03:00 PM

"Where have all the studs gone" can partly be answered by the fact that AHS had over 680 students in the early 2000's. As of April 3rd there are right at 400 enrolled. The best basketball players at AHS and some top baseballers along with other top athletes are no longer at AHS. SCS allowed them to leave due to the lack of academic offerings. One family moved specifically to get out of the district.

AHS played in the ultra competitve WNCHSAA as their numbers dwindled into 2A territory and were 3A after the state merger. In 1992 then football coach Tom Eanes requested the admin accept their 1A placement for the upcoming alignment. That did not happen until the 2001 alignment coinciding with the first title.

AHS was an elite state power in the 1940's and 1950's. In the early 1970's it looked like they turned the corner but the coach lasted two years before heading to college and then professionally. AHS had decent teams in the 1980's but not great success.

Gaster's second team went 12-1 in an excellent 2A conference. Third team lost four games, three by less than a TD and then went back to double digit wins from then on. The players from the title teams mostly came through the youth league which Gaster established.

In 2000 AHS was one of the smallest 2A schools. In 1A they were one of the largest 2001-2004. There is a significant drop off overall between 2A and 1A. Not sure they win titles in 2A.

I expect, like most successful teams, some players moved in for football. To say that is the reason for success is ridiculous but with the source or messenger it is expected.

Albemarle was 1A starting in 1997 I'm pretty sure.

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 03:03 PM

They were in 1A YVC with West and South Davidson, Thomasville, East Montgomery and South Stanly in 1997.

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