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East-West All Star Football Roster Released.....really?

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#1 SwainDad40

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Posted 07 April 2017 - 07:54 AM

The North Carolina East-West All Star Football Roster was released via Asheville Citizen Times. Here is the article:

http://www.citizen-t...ased/100093534/

By far I am not an expert on how these players are selected and I am absolutely sure these players deserve this honor! I am also sure their families are very proud of their accomplishments and the players have worked extremely hard. So I am certainly not taking anything away from these players or coaches! I want to make that clear!

I am however going to state the obvious! There are no players selected or representing the Smoky Mountain Conference or even schools west of Asheville. The North Carolina state boarder does not stop in Asheville! We have many players in WNC with the ability to compete and stand out with any players within the state. Many with size, speed, agility or even overall ability. Look at how many state championships Swain, Murphy and Robbinsville have! Wow! Do they not have any respect for these teams on a state level and what they have done historically or currently?

I think we need more representation on a state level for WNC teams or more people to stand up and speak out about this. Our boys deserve to at least be considered and recognized as top players in the state of North Carolina!

This game is going to be played July 19th in Greensboro but I am sure no one west of Asheville is going to attend..... sad to say! Especially when there is a team with WEST on their jerseys......

Feel free to speak up with your thoughts on this. Thank you.

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Posted 07 April 2017 - 08:23 AM

Three kids from the western part of the state. This is a joke, the mountains produce some of the toughest, hard nosed kids and no one ever gives them credit. I don't agree with there being more then one kid from a team. Each conference should have at least one kid represented in this game. Things need to change. I see kids on here that got embarrassed by kids who didn't make the team.



#3 SwainDad40

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Posted 07 April 2017 - 09:59 AM

Absolutely! We have some hard working and talented football players in this part of the state! They work extremely hard and your right - they are not given any credit or consideration.

It should be very rare for teammates to be selected. In some cases I could see a talented QB/WR picked or maybe a offensive player and a defensive player from some of the 4a or 3a teams that have fresh 11 on both sides of the ball. But definitely something needs to change. Maybe someone on here can explain how players are selected. Are they self nominated, coach nominated or do they have to attend a combine or submit film? Maybe the issue is communication across the state from the east coast to Tenn. state line. I think it is obvious that the "word" does not get out to all areas of the state. I also like the idea of each conference being represented in the game! Great idea!

No doubt about it! This game has allot of potential to be a popular state wide event if the selection process is improved. Things need to change. It should be the best of the EAST vs the best of the WEST! Let's make it a rivalry!!!

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Posted 07 April 2017 - 10:45 AM

No doubt about it! This game has allot of potential to be a popular state wide event if the selection process is improved. Things need to change. It should be the best of the EAST vs the best of the WEST! Let's make it a rivalry!!!

 

It used to be this to some degree and was interesting but times change.  No player that is committed to start playing college practice in a few days after this game is going to play.  Many players are already on campus in second session summer school so they cannot participate.  Do not want another Mark Maye incident, breaking his throwing hand thumb less than a week before he reported to UNC.

 

Are any of the players listed committed and accepted to a D1 school, a D2 school?  

 

I would like to hear from coaches that have been in the game in the past how it is selected.

 

I question whether the game should still be played.  

 

I used to attend every year.



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Posted 07 April 2017 - 11:23 AM

Yes - I completely agree that we don't want to see another kid get hurt in the game that has a college season to prepare for.  I don't think that I would want my son to play if he were ever selected after he accepts an offer from a school. 

 

I feel the game should still be played but changes need to be made for sure!  If they want a true EAST vs WEST game then they need to fix it.  Take the state lines and divide it up and invite the best players and fill roster spots. If they decline then have alternate players that are high performing standouts ready to fill in.  I am sure a kid would jump at the opportunity to showcase his talent in front of scouts.  Right now I don't even know if scout even attend this game.  If they do then the state is robbing our WNC players of an opportunity to get interest from colleges. 

 

Not being "cocky" but draw a line at Hickory and pick players all the way to Tennessee line and that team has the potential to beat any EAST team.   



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Posted 07 April 2017 - 03:27 PM

I doubt there are very few college coaches there.

 

So you think  the very best from west of Hickory match up with the very best east of Hickory to the Outer Banks?



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Posted 07 April 2017 - 03:35 PM

Absolutely! Our western North Carolina players have always been underrated! It would be a good game to watch for sure. It should be about pride and rivalry. Our WNC players have too much pride and will play hard for respect. Which they deserve!

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Posted 07 April 2017 - 05:21 PM

Take the 33 best players from Catawba County west for the West All Stars.  Take the remainder of the state to select 33 players as the East All Stars.  The west would include Gaston County and Lincoln County to the south along with Alexander, Wilkes, and Allegany to the north.  Meck, Iredell, Yadkin, and Surry would be the east counties and then onward to the coast. 

 

We want the absolute 33 best players for 11 on O and 11 on D and then 11 subs.  Throw in a specialist for an even 34 so they all have a roommate.  



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Posted 09 April 2017 - 06:47 AM

We all know that the only football ever played that is real is from the SMC....that's why NCSU, Wake Forest, UNC, Alabama, FSU, Clemson etc......all walk the sidelines during their games and recruit 10-12 per season from that conference LOL. I'm surprised they even allow those juggernaut teams to play in the lowly football state of NC. Surely they should be playing in Texas or Florida with the "rest" of the national high school powerhouse conferences. Get over it.



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Posted 11 April 2017 - 07:40 AM

Smc has about 30 state titles. Robbinsville has 14. That's more than most conferences. Look at the conference West Montgomery is in for a example.


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Posted 11 April 2017 - 09:09 AM

This game has allot of potential and I wish someone would look at fixing these problems.  I agree with btango and the state should be split and the roster built with the best 34 players from each side of the state.  I have no doubt that the WEST will hold their own and it will be a competitive game!  Our WNC players need to be recognized and provided with an opportunity to display the talent that they have.    

 

Knights is right the SMC has around 30 state titles!  That means the best team from the west in the state 1a championship game beat the best team in the east.  That sends a clear message for 1a!  I also understand we are talking about a roster made up of 1a-4a players. Murphy won the state championship this year and they had a few standout seniors who also signed to play college football.  Why did they not make this roster?  They certainly deserved to be in this game.  Maybe they were offered?    

 

Now take some other teams from the WNC region.  Look at the seasons that Pisgah and Tuscola had this season.  They both had dominate senior classes and tons of talent!  Also some of the other teams from our region had seniors that would have been excellent candidates!   I would still like to know the process of how players are selected.      



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Posted 11 April 2017 - 12:28 PM

They probably pick them by there measurable. That's what's wrong with the nfl.


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Posted 11 April 2017 - 04:08 PM

A game made up of the absolute most elite players is never going to happen.  As I wrote, the players that are going to play college ball are normally already on campus when the game is played.

 

I think this game is selected mostly on coaches recommendations.  That would be both a players coach and opposing coaches.

 

In the Shrine Bowl the coaches select the players.  David Gentry was the HC last year.  I know Coach Gentry fairly well and if he thought there was a player from his conference that should have been on the team the player would have been selected.  



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Posted 11 April 2017 - 07:19 PM


In the Shrine Bowl the coaches select the players.  David Gentry was the HC last year.  I know Coach Gentry fairly well and if he thought there was a player from his conference that should have been on the team the player would have been selected.  

 

Exactly, the reality is the SMC very rarely has a D1 level athlete. Now there have been a few kids over the last decade or two who were that level of athlete but they either didn't have the grades or the height/size to play at that level, but even then those type of kids are a rare occurrence. Murphy has had their fair share of FCS players over the last 25 years but Murphy hasn't had an FBS football player since Shawn Johnson graduated in 1990. In fact I think there has only been one FBS football player from the SMC since Heath Shuler and Shawn Johnson graduated.



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Posted 11 April 2017 - 08:29 PM

a retired High School Coach observing our practice told me he had 3 to 4 Div. 1 recruits every year , and if he would have worked his kids as hard as we do ours they would have quit, So maybe we don't have great talent , maybe our kids just work harder.



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Posted 11 April 2017 - 10:21 PM

Exactly, the reality is the SMC very rarely has a D1 level athlete. Now there have been a few kids over the last decade or two who were that level of athlete but they either didn't have the grades or the height/size to play at that level, but even then those type of kids are a rare occurrence. Murphy has had their fair share of FCS players over the last 25 years but Murphy hasn't had an FBS football player since Shawn Johnson graduated in 1990. In fact I think there has only been one FBS football player from the SMC since Heath Shuler and Shawn Johnson graduated.

I can think of two, plus a handful of walk-ons.  Heath Shuler's brother Benji was a reserve receiver at UT in the late 90s (playing alongside starting RB, future NFLer, and Franklin grad Shawn Bryson, if you want to count players from former SMC members in this list).  Benji Shuler was far from a star but saw the field a good bit and made 5-10 catches a year.  And Clint Woody from Hayesville was a starting receiver at Army in the early-to-mid 2000s. I also think that, considering he led Mars Hill in receiving over a future 1000 yard NFL receiver (John Brown) and has been in NFl camp himself, Tyrea Allen from Murphy was an FBS-level talent that bigger schools just missed on coming out of high school.

 

I do agree that, as a whole, there are fewer elite level athletes in this part of the state.  But I think that, because there are fewer, there is a perception that there aren't any, and that perception could cause what high level athletes there are in WNC to get overlooked.  



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Posted 11 April 2017 - 10:23 PM

a retired High School Coach observing our practice told me he had 3 to 4 Div. 1 recruits every year , and if he would have worked his kids as hard as we do ours they would have quit, So maybe we don't have great talent , maybe our kids just work harder.

 

Not many schools in NC have three to four D1 kids every year.  I do not know many elite programs now that are not year round conditioning and weights.  

 

Hard work is great.  When you run into a fellow hard worker with a lot more size, speed, and natural ability the difference stands out.



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Posted 17 April 2017 - 08:19 AM

I know WNC does not have the numbers when comparing D1 talent, however I do know if a player is a D1 talent then they are not going to risk getting injured in this game.  Now from that standpoint even looking at D2 or D3 talent, a true WNC team should hold their own with any East team. 

 

When I reviewed dogtuff's comments about how hard practices are and another HS coach told him that his D1 kids would have quit!  I CAN certainly believe that!!  I heard a quote over the weekend that was perfect for this situation. 

 

"Hard work beats talent when talent does not work hard". 

 

Fits perfectly in this situation!  Now I am not certainly not saying that WNC players practice harder or have a better work ethic.  But I am saying that some WNC teams and their coaches push their players to their breaking point to develop them to a point where they can compete with more talented teams.  We have some great coaches and teams and it sure would be nice for WNC players to represent and to be able to showcase their skills and abilities in a true EAST vs WEST game.  Especially when a team has WEST on their jerseys.      







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